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Will there ever be a Blood of Dragons or a Blood of Elements accessory for players?


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First there was the Blood of Fiends book which provided background information about Tieflings in the Golarion campaign setting. Then the Aasimars had their turn in Blood of Angels. So will Paizo ever come up with a book that deals with those who are the dragon-descended or have descended from elemental beings such as the genies or mephits?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)


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Just my opinion, but considering that there are 5 elemental races so far (one for reach element, plus the genie-blooded suli), there's always a chance they'll get a Companion. The thing is though, in RPG land the tiefling, aasimar, and dhampir all have a certain cachet that the elemental-blooded don't. Tieflings and aasimar in particular have been huge plot elements in Planescape, while dhampir are popular in all sorts of vampire fiction. By comparison, genasi-types have always been in the background.

As for dragons... first there would have to be a dragon-descended PC race. Unless you're cool with playing a kobold that is (in which case you're in luck).


While it might be true that the aasimar, tiefling and dhampir have received a more substantial role in D&D and in Pathfinder, the genasi-types should be fleshed out within the Golarion campaign setting. Especially since they like the aasimar and tiefling could have a number of interesting heritages for a play to choose from. Aside from the genies, genasi-type characters could claim descent from mephits (Mephlings)or elementals (the Infused).

As for the Dragon-descended, Kobolds definitely could have a book of their own. Just imagine Kobolds being descendants of not just the Chromatic dragons, but the Metallic (Noble Kobolds?), Primal (a genasi-like Kobold?) and Imperial (Eastern Kobolds?) dragons as well.
But what I was really referring to with regards to the dragon-descended are the Half-Dragons. Though something like 4e's Dragonborn would also be nice. ;)


I think we will get a elemental based book, not sure if it will cover all of them or just specific types (ifrits, etc). Hopefully, if we do, we will get variants based on having Efreet, Salamander, or Azer ancestry, for instance.

For the Dragon-blooded, excluding Kobolds (which have there own race book coming up), there really isn't a dragon-blooded race, and the Paizo developers hate Dragonborn. They think dragons are made mundane if you have a "dragon" adventuring in your group.

Although for what it is worth, the Midgard campaign setting has a dragonborn esq race.


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Courrain wrote:
As for the Dragon-descended, Kobolds definitely could have a book of their own.

Beware the kobolds of March


Generic Villain wrote:
Courrain wrote:
As for the Dragon-descended, Kobolds definitely could have a book of their own.
Beware the kobolds of March

While Kobolds getting their own book is indeed nice, though I'm not a fan of the race outside of cannon fodder, I think if there was ever to be a book about descendants of dragons, that kind of information would be best left to an actual, full-on Dragons book.

Kinda like how there's no actual Half-Orc book but there is a book on Orcs: "Yet, rather than focus this companion exclusively on half-orcs, beings without a specific culture or unified society, insights into the details of orc life should serve half-orc players far better than a lengthy investigation into the unpredictable details of their own harsh and wildly varying realities. So, on one hand, the desire to serve half-orc characters fueled this accessory’s creation." - Orcs of Golarion, page 7

If Paizo wanted to release a book on people with dragon blood in them, I think the best thing they could do was release a Dragons of Golarion book and have a subsection within it detail some information about descendants of dragons.

That said, a situation like this needs to be handled with some care. Teiflings and Aasimar are about as popular (if not more so, in some cases) as the core races and their divine heritage is really interesting to explore, but once you release a book about them, people will start wanting whole books dedicated to a single race. How many books before people start asking for a Catfolk of Golarion book (I really do, so that's basically 0 seconds), or a Merfolk of Golarion book, etc. etc.

Which, now that I think about it, really isn't a bad thing. More stuff for the different races would be kinda neat, but it wouldn't be neat to bog-down the developers with wanting only content for the different races (although I'm still waiting to hear if you plan on making a Lycanthrope book, devs).


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I don't see a Dragon Compainon for a few reasons. Namely, in Golarion dragons are not meant to be PCs. That statement comes with an implied "duh," but I also mean that there aren't any 0 Hit Die draconic races. I think this is deliberate. 4th Edition D&D made dragonkin part of their core setting, and I believe Paizo has intentionally avoided going that route. Personally I like it that way and hope it remains so - I don't want dragons being diluted by having a bunch of anthropomorphic mini-drakes running around.

Of course the inevitable counter argument is "but a draconic race wouldn't make dragons any less cool." My reply is to each his own.


Generic Villain wrote:

I don't see a Dragon Compainon for a few reasons. Namely, in Golarion dragons are not meant to be PCs. That statement comes with an implied "duh," but I also mean that there aren't any 0 Hit Die draconic races. I think this is deliberate. 4th Edition D&D made dragonkin part of their core setting, and I believe Paizo has intentionally avoided going that route. Personally I like it that way and hope it remains so - I don't want dragons being diluted by having a bunch of anthropomorphic mini-drakes running around.

Of course the inevitable counter argument is "but a draconic race wouldn't make dragons any less cool." My reply is to each his own.

Just because Dragons aren't meant to be PCs doesn't mean that there can't be any supporting material for them. I mean, isn't that the whole point behind books like the Draconomicon?


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The devs actually statted out a race in the Advanced Race Guide as an example in the Race Builder called the Wyvaran that are (let's face it) winged dragonborn with no breath weapon. THis race will never be an official Golarion race (I forget where I read that). But one does already exist if somebody has a need for a draconic race.

Because it won't exist in Golarion officially, don't expect a Companion for it.


+1 at Harrison Catfolk idea, +7 at the Lycanthrope one.

* Blood of Fey?


Belle Mythix wrote:

+1 at Harrison Catfolk idea, +7 at the Lycanthrope one.

* Blood of Fey?

There IS a Fey Revisited book coming out...


Harrison wrote:
Belle Mythix wrote:

+1 at Harrison Catfolk idea, +7 at the Lycanthrope one.

* Blood of Fey?

There IS a Fey Revisited book coming out...

<_<

>_>

There isn't many 0HD Fey, so...


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Harrison wrote:


Just because Dragons aren't meant to be PCs doesn't mean that there can't be any supporting material for them. I mean, isn't that the whole point behind books like the Draconomicon?

Forgetting something?


Generic Villain wrote:
Harrison wrote:


Just because Dragons aren't meant to be PCs doesn't mean that there can't be any supporting material for them. I mean, isn't that the whole point behind books like the Draconomicon?
Forgetting something?

ha ha ha

And just because they don't want a dragon race in Golarion, it doesn't mean they shouldn't make one at all.


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Belle Mythix wrote:

And just because they don't want a dragon race in Golarion, it doesn't mean they shouldn't make one at all.

When Golarion was designed, some intentional decissions were made. There are no good drow - that's too Forgotten Realms-y. Dragons don't live secretly among humans as puppet masters - too FR. There aren't uber wizards walking around solving all the world's problems in novels - FR again. All these are, in my opinion, sound choices. And yes there may be exceptions, but these are the rules.

I don't know why Paizo decides what becomes cannon to the PF campaign setting, but I can tell you that after 4 years we have dhampis, ratfolk, catfolk, three species of bird people (syrinx, strix, kenku), plant people (ghoran), androids, two species of shadow people (wayang and fetchling), genie people (suli), 4 elemental races, monkey people (vanaras), snake people (nagaji), fox people (kitsune), frog people (gripplies), two kinds of fish people (gillmen and merfolk), and many more. Yet there are still no dragon people. That has to be an intentional choice, and while it's debatable whether or not Paizo should add a dragon race, so far they haven't.


Generic Villain wrote:
There are no good drow - that's too Forgotten Realms-y. Dragons don't live secretly among humans as puppet masters - too FR. There aren't uber wizards walking around solving all the world's problems in novels - FR again.

So it's all Forgotten Realms's fault. Gottcha.

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Actually, there is a dragon race in the setting. It's the Dragonkin of Triaxus.


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Harrison wrote:


So it's all Forgotten Realms's fault. Gottcha.

If you want to be snarky about it, than yes, it is Forgotten Realm's "fault." A more realistic way to look at it is that Paizo is trying to differentiate itself from other well-established settings.


Generic Villain wrote:
Harrison wrote:


So it's all Forgotten Realms's fault. Gottcha.
If you want to be snarky about it, than yes, it is Forgotten Realm's "fault." A more realistic way to look at it is that Paizo is trying to differentiate itself from other well-established settings.

Yes, I was being snarky.

Gorbacz wrote:
Actually, there is a dragon race in the setting. It's the Dragonkin of Triaxus.

I can't remember. Was that the Dragonkin race located in the back of the ARG?


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For that matter, if you read the Half-Dragon entry in the Bestiary, they specifically state that Half-Dragons are less the result of Dragons interbreeding with non-Draconic species & more the result of magical experimentation.


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Harrison wrote:
I can't remember. Was that the Dragonkin race located in the back of the ARG?

Dragonkin are from Distant Worlds, but they aren't a 0 HD race. They're Large, CR 9, with 10 HD. Not exactly ideal for a typical PC.


Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
For that matter, if you read the Half-Dragon entry in the Bestiary, they specifically state that Half-Dragons are less the result of Dragons interbreeding with non-Draconic species & more the result of magical experimentation.

True, but the Bestiary also mentions that a successful creation breeds true with others of its kind. So it is possible for a race of humanoid dragons to emerge from a magical experiment. One would just need a large enough test population.

Speaking of magical experimentation, there was a 3rd party accessory from Goodman Games a while back that mentioned a form of experimentation called Egg Sculpting. By using magic to warp an unborn dragon within an egg, a spellcaster could create draconic creatures with any feature they liked.


Dotting.


Although the Midgard Campaign setting also has Dragonkin, which ARE a 0 HD playable race. Regrettable that they use the same name.

My personal belief is that if there are "holes" in the rules or flavor that Paizo is unwilling to fill for now or the foreseeable future, that is the best time for a 3pp to step in.


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MMCJawa wrote:
My personal belief is that if there are "holes" in the rules or flavor that Paizo is unwilling to fill for now or the foreseeable future, that is the best time for a 3pp to step in.

"It's not the notes you play, it's the notes you don't play."

-Miles Davis


I have found that people will tend to do what they want in a campaign what they wish to do whether or not it fits with the world they are playing in.


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a Blood of the planes book would be pretty sweet.

a variant bloodline or two each, for the Fetchling, Ifrit, Oread, Sylph, Suli, and Undine

and an 100 traits table for each one.

Examples could include wood and metal oreads, sand and storm sylphs, ice and rain undines, and smoke and volcano ifrits.


Wyvarans are interesting as a chromatic related race that could go the evil or neutral route. A metallic drake/draconic race would be appreciated, but I know they are not going to approach it. Maybe if a draconic race was associated with the divine maybe it could work?


I would still like to see a Blood of Elves and Bood of Orcs to give more variation to half-elvs and half-orcs.

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I'd like to see an Expanded Bloodlines type book that gives more options for the existing Sorcerous bloodlines, as well as one giving existing domains more options.

I like options.

Osirion

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
For that matter, if you read the Half-Dragon entry in the Bestiary, they specifically state that Half-Dragons are less the result of Dragons interbreeding with non-Draconic species & more the result of magical experimentation.

I want my character to be the result of a magical experiment gone right.

Silver Crusade

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Lots of fun ideas in here. Hopefully some get made, other by the Big P, or a quality 3PP.

I would love a Dragons book eventually for Golarion.


Maybe they could do something with the bloodlines for sorcerers and dragon disciples, though I am not sure that that would need a specific product.

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