Upgrading Magic Weapons and Armor


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Is a character allowed to use an item while it's being upgraded via crafting? For example, a fighter has his wizard buddy with Craft Magic Arms and Armor to upgrade his +1 greatsword to +2 greatsword. It will take the Wizard 3 days to complete while they are out adventuring. Can the fighter still use this greatsword while it's being upgraded? Or the greatsword "unavailable" while it's being upgraded?

Thank you.


I believe the answer is "no" but I also think the question is wrong. Crafting requires focused work for the entire duration. The the wizard therefore cannot both be adventuring and crafting. So the sword is unavailable, because the wizard needs the full amount of time dedicated to the upgrade. I'm sure someone will jump in with the actual quoted rule to support me (or prove me wrong).

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Item creation wrote:


If the caster is out adventuring, he can devote 4 hours each day to item creation, although he nets only 2 hours' worth of work. This time is not spent in one continuous period, but rather during lunch, morning preparation, and during watches at night. If time is dedicated to creation, it must be spent in uninterrupted 4-hour blocks. This work is generally done in a controlled environment, where distractions are at a minimum, such as a laboratory or shrine.


Name Violation wrote:
Item creation wrote:


If the caster is out adventuring, he can devote 4 hours each day to item creation, although he nets only 2 hours' worth of work. This time is not spent in one continuous period, but rather during lunch, morning preparation, and during watches at night....

Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.


HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

Never mind, I found it on d20PFSRD pretty quickly...I'd been searching on Archives of Nethys and couldn't easily locate it there. I don't see a RAW that says you cannot use the item while it in-between crafting sessions. Might be a DM call.

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HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
Item creation wrote:


If the caster is out adventuring, he can devote 4 hours each day to item creation, although he nets only 2 hours' worth of work. This time is not spent in one continuous period, but rather during lunch, morning preparation, and during watches at night....
Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.


The rule is in the core book under magic item creation.

I'm not sure the intent is clear, but there is no rule saying that you can't use a weapon that is halfway through being upgraded. I admit that it seems weird to be using a magic item that's "in the shop" though.


Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:


Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.

Dude, I'm over 50. I use books, PDFs of books, and Internet. We old-timers like to keep our options open. ;-)


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Melkiador wrote:

The rule is in the core book under magic item creation.

I'm not sure the intent is clear, but there is no rule saying that you can't use a weapon that is halfway through being upgraded. I admit that it seems weird to be using a magic item that's "in the shop" though.

I agree...I think I'd probably house-rule this and not permit it to be used while "in the shop"...but this specific situation has never come up in my games...probably because I used to enforce down-time for training / upgrades (1 day per new level, maximum of 14 days), so no-one was ever trying to upgrade an item while adventuring. I think training time was a hold-over from 2e, regardless, I recently dropped that requirement so it is more likely this situation will come up in my games.

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HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:


Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.

Dude, I'm over 50. I use books, PDFs of books, and Internet. We old-timers like to keep our options open. ;-)

Ok boomer

(No offense, it was just the perfect set up)


Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:


Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.

Dude, I'm over 50. I use books, PDFs of books, and Internet. We old-timers like to keep our options open. ;-)

Ok boomer

(No offense, it was just the perfect set up)

Technically, Gen-X. ;-)


Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:


Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.

Dude, I'm over 50. I use books, PDFs of books, and Internet. We old-timers like to keep our options open. ;-)

Ok boomer

(No offense, it was just the perfect set up)

Whatever Zoomer (Agreed, perfect setup)

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TxSam88 wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:
Name Violation wrote:
HighLordNiteshade wrote:


Can you please provide the book / page number for this? I have not been able to find this specific text.

LOL, BOOK

I wouldn't know where to look in a book. I'm not a luddite. I use the internet like a regular person.

Dude, I'm over 50. I use books, PDFs of books, and Internet. We old-timers like to keep our options open. ;-)

Ok boomer

(No offense, it was just the perfect set up)

Whatever Zoomer (Agreed, perfect setup)

Actually I'm technically a millennial (almost gen x)


I have nothing to add here, except that I am a GenXer, almost a Millennial. Saw a slot that I could fill :)

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Holy Train Wreck, Batman! This thread completely derailed, and carnage is spectacular!

Seriously, thank you for the input. :)

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