Ultimate Psionics (PFRPG)

Now available for preorder!

No PDF bundle?

No PDF bundle?

Given that the final line of the description says you'll get a digital copy of the book if you pre-order the hard cover, I would assume that they're holding off on announcing a bundle price to try and get as many people pre-ordering as possible. Could be that a PDF and hard cover bundle would be announced later on, but I still imagine it would cost more than the pre-order with a free digital copy would.

Oops, I didn't see that. Question withdrawn, then. :)

I can't set up a PDF bundle until the PDF is ready, so offering the PDF free to those who preorder is the compromise that Dreamscarred Jeremy and I came up with. :)

I am totally going to start saving for the full color.

I can't set up a PDF bundle until the PDF is ready, so offering the PDF free to those who preorder is the compromise that Dreamscarred Jeremy and I came up with. :)

Sounds good enough to me!

*Faints*
*Stands up*
*Faints again*

Duuuuuuuuuuude.

Thank you Dreamscarred Press. Cannot wait to grab the full-color hardcover.

As a Kickstarter backer of this, I can tell you its epic. It's a lot more than just the two previous psionics titles brought together. I'd guess at least a third of it will be new material, and the art is pretty good too.

Any idea about when this will come out though? The original date was nixed because of all the (amazing) additions we got through stretch goals, and they've not said anything about a new one (that I remember).

Any idea about when this will come out though? The original date was nixed because of all the (amazing) additions we got through stretch goals, and they've not said anything about a new one (that I remember).

Simply put, because we don't have one... so it's a moving target.

With the final new archetype to enter Beta playtesting this week, we're getting very close to having all the new material done. We're working on the last three legendary items (one has been posted for backers, another just got posted in our private backer-only forum, and the last Andreas is writing up the history for and should get posted this week.)

The past two weeks have been rapid-fire in making progress, so while I certainly won't commit to having the PDF done by September, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

NOTE: that's PDF being done... I don't know how long the print run is going to take since this will be our first time using this printer (our normal printer doesn't do hardcover.)

Gods, this and Kobold Press's spellbook will make me go broke.

Gods, this and Kobold Press's spellbook will make me go broke.

Fabulously, gloriously broke.

Ooo, I can't wait! [Kickstarter supporter!]

Paizo promised us psionic material, they even have mention of it in their campaign book. However, they have failed to produce one after so many years.

I wish they would use Dreamscarred Press's stuff for their APs and other materials. Why don't they team up? I see them using 3rd party material in some of their APs concerning monsters, but they seem afraid to touch psionics.

Please, Paizo, use their stuff for your setting. It's only fitting.

Paizo promised us psionic material, they even have mention of it in their campaign book. However, they have failed to produce one after so many years.

I wish they would use Dreamscarred Press's stuff for their APs and other materials. Why don't they team up? I see them using 3rd party material in some of their APs concerning monsters, but they seem afraid to touch psionics.

Please, Paizo, use their stuff for your setting. It's only fitting.

Where did Paizo ever promise psionics. They'be mentioned that its something that could be looked at, and some ideas on how to handle it, but that's it. Currently there are psychic monsters etc, they just use spell-like abilities. I recommend having a look around the messageboards, there have been numerous threads on why Paizo won't use these rules and what sort of design philosophy they'll be using (Vancian casting seems to be the consensus).

I'm a backer for this project, and I look forward to getting it, but I'll be honest that it will probably rarely se use. It's more of a flick through for ideas book for me. Psionics (or psychic magic as James Jacobs has been referring to it) will only become common in my games if Paizo domake their own version

Paizo promised us psionic material, they even have mention of it in their campaign book. However, they have failed to produce one after so many years.

They refer to, "an unusual magic of the open mind." That's not calling it "psionics." My source is the Inner Sea World Guide, so older (Read: 3.5 Material) might actually say Psionics.

Making a passing reference to Psionics in a book is no more a promise than making a passive reference to Hermea or Kami Lords. Yeah, they exist, but that doesn't mean we'll ever see material based on that. Sometimes extra tid-bits are just that: plot hooks. You're coming off as entitled.

I wish they would use Dreamscarred Press's stuff for their APs and other materials. Why don't they team up? I see them using 3rd party material in some of their APs concerning monsters, but they seem afraid to touch psionics.

Dragon's Demand apparently had a Psionic monster written by the Dreamscarred Press guys in it. I don't recall which one, but I'm sure someone will quote this post and fill you in. The point being that Paizo does use 3PP material A) when its appropriate and B) when they like the concept. They don't have a magic quota of 3PP stuff to put in their Adventure Paths.

Please, Paizo, use their stuff for your setting. It's only fitting.

I don't think you get to make that judgment call anywhere but outside of your home version of Golarion.

Edit: AH! Ninja'd by Tinkergoth! ITS LIKE HE READ MY MIND .... Except on the whole, "I'll never use this," thing. I play in Homebrew and run my own Homebrew. Although even if I ran Golarion, I would still probably use Dreamscarred's stuff for Vuldra adventures.

Regardless, totally looking forward to this product. Like many others, I'm going to try to save up for the Full-Color version! I am so looking forward to giving this product a 5 star review, all of the previews Jeremy has been sharing have been stunning.

Markolius Craggmorn wrote:

Paizo promised us psionic material, they even have mention of it in their campaign book. However, they have failed to produce one after so many years.

They refer to, "an unusual magic of the open mind." That's not calling it "psionics." My source is the Inner Sea World Guide, so older (Read: 3.5 Material) might actually say Psionics.

Making a passing reference to Psionics in a book is no more a promise than making a passive reference to Hermea or Kami Lords. Yeah, they exist, but that doesn't mean we'll ever see material based on that. Sometimes extra tid-bits are just that: plot hooks. You're coming off as entitled.

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I wish they would use Dreamscarred Press's stuff for their APs and other materials. Why don't they team up? I see them using 3rd party material in some of their APs concerning monsters, but they seem afraid to touch psionics.

Dragon's Demand apparently had a Psionic monster written by the Dreamscarred Press guys in it. I don't recall which one, but I'm sure someone will quote this post and fill you in. The point being that Paizo does use 3PP material A) when its appropriate and B) when they like the concept. They don't have a magic quota of 3PP stuff to put in their Adventure Paths.

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Please, Paizo, use their stuff for your setting. It's only fitting.

I don't think you get to make that judgment call anywhere but outside of your home version of Golarion.

Edit: AH! Ninja'd by Tinkergoth! ITS LIKE HE READ MY MIND .... Except on the whole, "I'll never use this," thing. I play in Homebrew and run my own Homebrew. Although even if I ran Golarion, I would still probably use Dreamscarred's stuff for Vuldra adventures.

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Regardless, totally looking forward to this product. Like many others, I'm going to try to save up for the Full-Color version! I am so looking forward to giving this product a 5 star review, all of the previews Jeremy has...

I normally run homebrew, but my group has been running adventure paths for a while now. Even with homebrew I tend to stick to official Pathfinder stuff, with the very occasional 3PP content added. Makes things easier. That said, if my players push hard enough and make a compelling argument I'll often allow new content, so this could still sneak in.

Half of my players (I GM two groups) never ask me for 3PP stuff, even knowing that I'll probably okay it considering I am a Third-Party author.

Funny how that works sometimes.

Paizo promised us psionic material, they even have mention of it in their campaign book. However, they have failed to produce one after so many years.

I wish they would use Dreamscarred Press's stuff for their APs and other materials. Why don't they team up? I see them using 3rd party material in some of their APs concerning monsters, but they seem afraid to touch psionics.

Please, Paizo, use their stuff for your setting. It's only fitting.

The big issue here is that there's no one on the Paizo staff that likes the 3.5/dreamscarred mechanics approach. They seem to generally think the two guys that are behind all of dreamscarred did a good job, just a good job with a central mechanical approach they don't support.

The irony of course being that psionics has always been a pp/PSP system for as long as Pathfinder's predecessor game even had psionics. It's just... Odd that this is one area where Paizo seems to be actively turning their backs on a relatively constant part of the heritage of d20 RPGs because they don't like the way it plays. Not removing it altogether, but still, ironic reasons for mechanical changes that a lot of us seem to think are quite to absurdly unnecessary.

Odd that this is one area where Paizo seems to be actively turning their backs on a relatively constant part of the heritage of d20 RPGs because they don't like the way it plays.

That's kind of strange to me, too. They actively supported some portions of the d20 system with well-known and documented problems for the sake of "backwards compatibility". But psionics, which Dreamscarred has balanced better than their own Core Rulebook? NO!!!

:P

This is a complicated issue. As mentioned, there is no champion of traditional psionics within Paizo's staff. Nobody to say "hey, you know, I'll go ahead and work on it because I think it's cool!"

Further, Paizo wouldn't likely put the psionics rules into the PRD because to-date it only contains Paizo-originated material. Which means they'd have issues referencing it in their material.

Also, embracing Dreamscarred's material means they don't produce their own. Removing a potentially high-selling market from their own sales is generous but financially unwise.

Finally, there are those who are on the fence with psionics who don't like it's mechanic. Adding a Paizo-official book some day would make everyone satisfied.

So ultimately there's currently no compelling model where Paizo would adopt these mechanics.

If you're considering backing the project, check out the playtesting forums and the SRD. Take a look at it, try it out in your games, and then find yourself awake at night thinking of all the amazing ways a Dread can screw with a party.

Kvantum wrote:

Odd that this is one area where Paizo seems to be actively turning their backs on a relatively constant part of the heritage of d20 RPGs because they don't like the way it plays.

That's kind of strange to me, too. They actively supported some portions of the d20 system with well-known and documented problems for the sake of "backwards compatibility". But psionics, which Dreamscarred has balanced better than their own Core Rulebook? NO!!!

:P

Much as I appreciate the praise, that is certainly a claim I'm not going to make. But that is what we strive for.

Azazyll wrote:

Any idea about when this will come out though? The original date was nixed because of all the (amazing) additions we got through stretch goals, and they've not said anything about a new one (that I remember).

Simply put, because we don't have one... so it's a moving target.

With the final new archetype to enter Beta playtesting this week, we're getting very close to having all the new material done. We're working on the last three legendary items (one has been posted for backers, another just got posted in our private backer-only forum, and the last Andreas is writing up the history for and should get posted this week.)

The past two weeks have been rapid-fire in making progress, so while I certainly won't commit to having the PDF done by September, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

NOTE: that's PDF being done... I don't know how long the print run is going to take since this will be our first time using this printer (our normal printer doesn't do hardcover.)

Thanks! I think you're doing a stand up job, and I can't wait to read it. I'm moving in October, so I'll have to send along a change of address.

The big issue here is that there's no one on the Paizo staff that likes the 3.5/dreamscarred mechanics approach.

This is not true. I happen to really like it, but I am not on the creative staff. :P

This is not true. I happen to really like it, but I am not on the creative staff. :P

Huh. Out of curiosity, how does the notion of world-domination sound to you? I'm just thinking... we could help you with a plan. That plan would involve first getting yourself onto the creative team, then wresting control of that team away from its current master, then writing some psionic stuff, and finally, while you're at it, take over the world?

I mean, you seem nice enough.

Huh. Out of curiosity, how does the notion of world-domination sound to you?

Last time I checked, I think my world domination plans involved baked goods...

...but that's for another thread! :D

mmm... psionic cookies...

With cream frosting.. MMMMMMMM!!!!!

NOTE: that's PDF being done... I don't know how long the print run is going to take since this will be our first time using this printer (our normal printer doesn't do hardcover.)

What will be the physical size of this book? Will it be the same size as most RPG product, such as Paizo's hardcovers? I'm asking because Psionics Expanded had a weird smaller size.

Anguish wrote:

Huh. Out of curiosity, how does the notion of world-domination sound to you?

Last time I checked, I think my world domination plans involved baked goods...

...but that's for another thread! :D

This reminds me of a certain conversation I had with Scintillae regarding something along the lines of 'creme-filled nightmare cookies'.

Sadly I seem to have forgotten most of the context for that....

Jeremy Smith wrote:

NOTE: that's PDF being done... I don't know how long the print run is going to take since this will be our first time using this printer (our normal printer doesn't do hardcover.)

What will be the physical size of this book? Will it be the same size as most RPG product, such as Paizo's hardcovers? I'm asking because Psionics Expanded had a weird smaller size.

Standard size. :-)

Good!

I'm going to wait and see and order the book a month before the release date. I can't justify preordering the book without at least a tentative release date.

Anyone know what the date is on this? I've pre-ordered and have been looking around for it but haven't seen it.

Given that they released a PDF of the extra material that wasn't found in the first two book, I'd say it's coming fairly soon-ish.

The reason I haven't given any sort of release date is because it would be an estimated guess at best. I'm expecting to have the content sorted out in the next couple of weeks, and the print run is likely going to take a few weeks beyond that, but that's, again, a guess.

I'm waiting for release dates until things are more for sure.

I'm in my 2nd year of medical school, hell year, and am more so looking to enjoy this after I take my boards in end of May or in June. Do you think before or after that? Lol I need something good to look forward too. :0)

I'm being patient. I'm being patient. See, patient. Really. Patient. Honest.

Is it time yet?

Anguish wrote:

Huh. Out of curiosity, how does the notion of world-domination sound to you?

Last time I checked, I think my world domination plans involved baked goods...

...but that's for another thread! :D

Is that why you and Sarah Marie had me making cake icing in that one dream I had in the Paizo Warehouse?

Or ... oh god. Maybe that wasn't a dream. Maybe it was a Shadow Out of Time .....

I'm in my 2nd year of medical school, hell year, and am more so looking to enjoy this after I take my boards in end of May or in June. Do you think before or after that? Lol I need something good to look forward too. :0)

LOL! Well before that.

The content for the book is written, it's just in various stages of playtesting and/or editing.

This week, I'll be going through all of the Beta playtesting feedback for the various parts of the book and making any necessary changes to put together the final version.

We're also working on some additional artwork to fill in throughout the book. Now that we're putting it all together, it's a lot easier to see where we need more artwork.

I just find it weird they use 3rd party stuff in their modules and AP, like the Advanced Bestiary book or whatever it's called, but refuse to use psionic material, too. Advanced Bestiary is not in the PRD either.

Gods, this and Kobold Press's spellbook will make me go broke.

Gods?

What are the official names of these and do you recommend them highly?

Fabius Maximus wrote:

Gods, this and Kobold Press's spellbook will make me go broke.

Kobold Press's Spellbook?

What are the official names of these and do you recommend them highly?

Kobold's press Spellbook was a kickstarter called Deep Magic. It was funded with a lot of extra's - the book will be good sized. Release date in the future.

Fabius Maximus wrote:

Gods, this and Kobold Press's spellbook will make me go broke.

Gods?

Kobold Press's Spellbook?

What are the official names of these and do you recommend them highly?

Gods! I should have used an exclamation mark, I guess.

I'm dreaming of a psi christmas
just thought Jeremy should know
where pyros crispin, and telepaths listen
And go places you don't want them to go...

Woof. 80 book. Good, but woof.

Woof. 80 book. Good, but woof.

Not to keep championing Jeremy's pricing, but... the black & white version is $60.

Rappan Athuk is about 600 pages, B&W, and is $100. Slumbering Tsar is about 800 pages, B&W and $150. Tome of Horrors Complete is about 700 pages, B&W and $110.

Really, this isn't unreasonable. It's just big. But awesome.

Think PFRPG Core plus APG in terms of game-usable content.

That may well be. Just quite a pinch all at once to buy. I can handle 40 books every 2 months or so. This is a Christmas or Birthday level buy...maybe.