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Does the vote have to be followed up by official action on the part of the British government, or is it binding?
I'm wondering if the referendum could be a weather balloon to see what would happen if the UK did leave, followed by a "just kidding, nonbinding, Government chooses not to leave" if it went sour.
Or is that wishful thinking?
Orfamay Quest wrote:
I said/suggested no such thing. I can't fathom nor speak for Cameron, it just seems obvious that the EU wants it settled quickly to stabilize the markets.
Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
The date of this is currently a hot topic of discussion. The EU are saying "Get on with it" while Leavers are saying "Let's leave it a while, have some informal chit-chat, work out a deal". We'll see. I thought Cameron's leaving speech indicated he was going to declare Article 50 at the upcoming summit next week, but commentators seem to think otherwise.
The EU knows that financial markets hate uncertainty and are liable to be volatile until the exit is a done deal.
It's all about markets.
There are several things about this result that make me uneasy. One is the aggressive nature of the Russians under Putin and how that will be affected by the perceived weakness of the EU after this vote - particularly if the Dutch and others follow the UK's example. Another is that one of the US Presidential candidates is no fan of NATO, possibly further weakening European security. And another is the independence movements for N. Ireland and Scotland, which can further fragment the UK. It seems an extraordinarily poor time to weaken the EU.
One thing I have noticed watching the BBC is that people (politicians and experts) are either ecstatically happy or doom and gloom depressed. This leads me to think that nobody has a deep understanding of all the implications of this vote. Reactions are too simplistic, not nuanced enough.
So yeah, a wee bit jittery about this one.
Last update, because it looks like it'll be wrapped up in an hour:
Not that it would have made a difference, but whylt thll flyylllk, Wales?
E: "Oh, fair Scotland, stay with us. We're better together, stronger in a union. Don't leave us!"
It'll be interesting if England votes to leave and Scotland, N. Ireland, and Wales all vote to remain. I believe Scotland has already made noise about another independence referendum and petitioning to join the EU as a sovereign nation if the UK leaves.
I bit the bullet and got a drafting table and stool today. Table is solid oak and the top goes from horizontal to vertical, which I need to be able to store it. I can use it level for my laptop for work, and slanted for art. Got a nice swivel stool with pneumatic cylinder, too, so am all set. My laptop is on there now and working very nicely. It's quite comfortable. Plus it's right below the newly discovered ceiling fan, so bonus.
True, though the author
kind of strings you along with the hope that the deflection plan might be real. Plus the whole "why keep going" theme is relevant to everyone and brings up those ideas of inevitable death we don't like to think about. I found it uncomfortable and am glad that I'm not depressed at the moment.
I checked out two of Winters' young adult books for grins, and Midnight Riot and Moon Over Soho by Ben Aaronovitch. That should get me to sleep tonight.
I read The Last Policeman trilogy by Ben Winters, about a detective working to solve crimes in the last couple of months before an Earth-killing asteroid is due to strike. Though I enjoyed the books, it's not a good read for any who might be feeling depressed, that's for sure. But if you are in a good place, I'd recommend them.
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Me, I know there are beasties in the salt water hereabouts.
Having grown up around the Great Lakes and some big rivers, I am not used to giant beasties in the water, aside from the occasional big, nasty gar. But those stay in the water where they belong. So when I went to San Francisco and took a nice morning stroll on a pier, nothing prepared me for a sea lion popping out of the water RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME YAAAAAH!!!
Cue frantic backpedaling and falling on butt.
I swear that thing was laughing.
I like the idea, but honestly I figure I'd forget half the time to change. I might consider it if they get to the point where campaigns remember and default to the default alias (as opposed to just having it at the top of the alias list), however.
If you use Firefox or Chrome Oladon's Campaign Tool lets you set a default alias for a thread.
YES! Thank you!
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Interesting idea, particularly in light of the dreams I had last night... but that might be TMI. Except for Freehold, of course, who has no TMI threshold. :)
How's the beach? I can't go near the water until July 20, which is making for an unhappy summer so far.