|Paizo Pathfinder® Paizo Games|
|About Paizo Messageboards News Paizo Blog Help/FAQ|
Having GMed Destiny of the Sands part 1 and played Destiny of the Sands part 2...I have to ask: (Spoiler)
Yeah, because Kathy Kane, Renee Montoya, Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain never had any followings, Bart Allen was never liked, and Virgil was never popular enough to have a TV show...
Hell, Victor Stone was never liked when he was brought out for the New Teen Titans. No one has ever heard of him since he's faded into obscurity...
Grey Lensman wrote:
my complaints about Cyborg in the reboot were the erasing of the titans history.
Given that he was part of Robinson's Justice League preboot...
Freehold DM wrote:
He's currently on Earth 2, but the cast of that book is so big, they really need another book (or three!) to take care of all the characters.
(Aside: My first exposure to him actually doing something was in the Final Crisis novel adeptation. I say 'doing something' because he was just the switchboard operator in Justice League.)
Bill Dunn wrote:
Yuo mean the racist slur using kid who was suspended from school, boasted about his getting into fights and who jumped someone and was pounding his head against the sidewalk?
Freehold DM wrote:
Actually do a quick google search on "Why is green lantern white" and you'll get a lot of hits, including the answers.
I just find Shin's "You don't agree with me, so you're racist" drek annoying and lazy. If he wants to be a bigot and generalize a group of people, he's free to do so. I'm better than that.
By his logic, I can say that all of Harlem is homophobic because of this guy. I choose not to.
For example, in the case of T'Challa's relationship with Storm you saw outrage based on race. I see it as outrage over pandering. Forge (who is not white, but native american) had a history with Storm that started pretty early on. The fact that they ditched that to hook her up with Black Panther just seemed childish. "They're both black so they have to get together, see?" In my opinion, with admittedly little knowledge of the details, I think it did a disservice to both characters. I would have expected to T'Challa to marry a Wakandan woman out of a sense of duty and loyalty to his country. For all the comparisons to Batman, I always thought of Black Panther as more of a "Captain Wakanda" to our Captain America - same values, same courage, similar abilities, different country.
This. Even if they'd paired her with Bishop* instead of T'Challa at least they teased the possibility of the relationship in the 90's, didn't shoe horn it in.
Though I'm sure some people would have been outraged that he's Austrilian first peoples and not African.
If I remember correctly (I was an Alpha Flight then X-men fan in the 80's) Didn't Monica lead the Avengers at one point? I remember in the MSH basic set, she was one of the four heroes in the beginning adventure.
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
It makes it worse in a way, since it reduces people to checkboxes. "Ok, we need a black guy, and a chick..."
In fact if the execs had decided "We can recast The Human Torch as a black guy, for demographics" That might have kept them from hiring the best guy for Reed richards, because their bean counters said "And we need a white guy."
You might want to check the outrage...
"I've said this before and I'm sticking with it. I feel that the comicbook fandom is horribly racist."
I am amused that the one making the accusations of 'racism' is the one on the thread guilty of generalizing a group of people and assuming the group is someone wrong.
I just wanted to say I played it (vs. GMing it) and had a blast. I played my Sczarni (trying to get him to 6th, and the boon didn't help my other PC much) The coversation with Glorymane while under the zone of truth was hillarious.
"Are you a Lion Blade?"
When i ran MoM, I made a point to have minis for all the exhibits. Nothing makes a player more paranoid than to be told that there are bodies writing in glass cases, and seeing the minis on the table (well except the T-rex mini in the other room)
I had the Glabrezu and the Rune Giant mini both on my table. Occasionally my hand would go over to the Giant. So when I placed the Glabrezu on the table (you know the scenario) one of the players went "Can we fight the Rune Giant instead?"
Ran this Satruday.
About my only complaint is that the optional encounter can be, um, encountered too early. We ran into it almost immediately after entering, and then they got caught up in the puzzle room.
I had a party of 7, so we had two amusing moments.
*half the party arguing over the puzzle, other half including a rogue, who made the DD check. So they try their combo and the door opens. They felt great! Right up until the rogue told them...*
*Player sarcastically places his hands flat on the table (miming the sarcophogus) "So is there a body in here?" Me: *deep voice* "Yes."
Haven't you heard? "It is no longer acceptable to cast cross-racially..."
And DM, your attempts to dismis any disagreement with 'you're racist' are cute, really. Ineffective and offensive, but cute.
Edit: Hat Tip, gaypatriot.net
Freehold DM wrote:
Found it issue 253‘Brown skin. But her features don’t fit any conventional classification. Not Negroid or Caucasian or Oriental - yet somehow an amalgam of the rarest elements of them all - white hair, blue eyes….who is she, Stuart?’
John Compton wrote:
Good, I wanted to make sure they could benefit.
(and while I don't expect it ti be permanent... I can dream)
I'd add that it was similar to the same 'crapstorm' about making DCnu Alan Scott gay, and people not understanding there are multiple Green Lanterns.*
Ultimates is pretty clear that a) dead is dead and b) status quo is not G_d. I give them, personally, a lot more leeway. I'd love it if we saw three Spiderman movies, then Peter gets killed and the movie ends with a shadowed figure picking up the mask, for example. Then you could do a 'reboot' that wasn't a reboot.
My issue with the Alan Scott bit was DC erased yet another character I liked (Jade) and then switched Alan's sexual preferences because they realized they eliminated a gay character in erasing her brother Obsidian. Changing a character just to fill a quota is patronizing to me. And that's part of it here for me. If this guy is the best actor for the Johnny Storm role, great. If he's the best <fill in the group> actor for the role, and they wanted that box checked... (I think Michael Clarke Duncan, for example was the best guy I've seen for the Kingpin role. And, let's face it, the best thing in that movie.)
Whether they generate revenue on Herolab or not isn't germaine to the issue.
Herolab isn't an official source as is required to be brought to the table. If I want to see option X, I don't want to see Herolab's take on option X, or d20prd's take or Archives of Nethys, I want to see the original source text.
Or to take another route, Paizo gets a portion of sales from their site, it doesn't mean that SGG/RGG's guides are suddenly PFS legal.
It's not a matter of 'greed' it's a matter of consistancy.
And thisis coming from a charter superscriber who also buys the Herolab data packets because I find the cost/convienence ration high.
Holy frak.... Ties into my favourite scenario set.
Ok, I'm going to definately have to make a 'greatest hits' list when Pt 3 comes out justso if/when we get another batch of newbies, I can make them hate appropriately.
Edit: And more pathfinder lore... If Pt 3 lives up to Pts 1 and 2, this is going to be an awesome trillogy.
Edit: Reads chonicle sheets.... Gods...
We've had to do this at the table too. (Druid didn't buy up handle animal, bad die rolls, and then the oracle started ordering the animal around)congrats on the second star BTW.
To the OP. Don't forget riding the tiger (great, now i've that song stuck in my head) would require concentration checks to cast.
Freehold DM wrote:
RE: storm - give me an issue number, I'll look it up.
Re: bishop - yes, it was how he was drawn. IIRC, outcry caused artists to change his appearance to lose the jerri curls and get a more conventional look. Also, there was no small amount of outcry from my wife and one of my best friends that forge was forgotten completely.
Gods I'll try to get home,. most of my books are all sealed up.
Really there was controversy over that? How he was drawn? I thought it was striking at the time he was drawn 'black' vs drawn with the same facial structure as the white guys. (seriously, look at Clint, Hank and Steve in the 80-90's Avengers. Now put them in street clothes and try to tell them apart.) :-)
Again, maybe it was my small town/midwest upbringing, I liked him. (Aside, I liked the scenario in the Danger Room where he was being held hostage. He threatens to shoot himself to remove the hostage. Bonus for me was he was threatening himself with an energy weapon, so he was performing a nice double bluff)
Freehold DM wrote:
Still like Rhodes. However, I firmly disagree with storm being composite, and bishop came out at a bad time where to many he was the epitome of the whitewashed black superhero.
Liked I said, YMMV. :-) (When young Storm was found (where they introduced Gambit) one of the paramedics commented on the mix of features)
I'm not sure what you mean by 'whitewashed black superhero' What I liked about Bishop was that a) he was a cop, b) unlike Cable, he actually seemed to care about the people around him. (I did think the relationship/romance with him and Storm was forced.) c) I liked how he was a 'man out of time' who was dealing with the flaws of his idealized heroes. (aside, Portcello(sp?) drawking him with more 'conventional' black features was striking to this boy who grew up in SE Ohio)
Hmm, looking back, A Cap and Bishop team up would have been an interesting story. A son (or with sliding timescale, grandson) of a WW II vet whom Cap fought with, who grew up in Bishop's timeline to be a mass murderer. Two moralistic characters both doing what they think is 'right' (defending the child of a friend, chasing down and trying to keep a mass murderer from rising). That it adds the 'would you go back in time and kill Hitler' aspect would be a bonus.
But no, he had to go crazy and try to kill Hope...
One thing about Bucky is he when he was brought back he became <redacted>* rather than Captain America jr. I think the Warwear** in the old War Machine book was a way to try to make Rhodey more than "Black Iron Man" Even the Young Avengers were more 'based on' than 'carbon copies'
I liked Garth's new powers, and of course am something of a Wingnut. because of the DCAU, John Stewart is 'my' Green Lantern. So the cutting down of the legacy characters is annoying.
Edit: i liked Panthra too. She had the advantage of Wolverine-esque origins (Who am I, what am I? Am I a woman made into a cat, or a cat evolved into a woman?) and slowly developed into a likable character in her actually caring for Leonid and baby Wildebeast.
redacted for the Marvel Cinematic universe
I liked the Warwear concept, my only complaint in both cases (War Machine and Warwear) was that Rhodey was *given* the armors. One trend I think *does* need to be addressed is the 'self made' minority superhero. Tony, Hank, Stephen, heck even villians like Doom and Zemo are self made. What minorites do we have? Rocket Racer? Night Thrasher? Prowler?
Oops, forgot Mr. Terrific so Terry Sloan is one.
"The bottom line also is that the majority of the white male comic buying public WILL NOT support a black hero who has their own ongoing title no matter how good the quality of the actual book is. The Christopher Priest run of Black Panther proved that fairly definitively. The only reason that that book had the long run that it did was because Joey Q loved and believed in it SO MUCH."
Wasn't the Priest run the "We're so much more awesome than you" run which included the "Thank you for coming. We've the cure to cancer, but we're not going to share it with you" moment?
Or was the Hundal's run?
(aside, I did find the "I'm so much more awesome than you" vibe from Avengers EMH annoying. Everyone got to show strengths and also be taken down a peg. (Tony's ego, Hank's instability, Clint being framed, Steven being replaced) It seemed to me that T'Challa was just "I've better tech than Tony, can outfight Steve and Clint, take special herbs that are poison to everyone else, etc."))
I actually like Rhodey more than Tony in a lot of ways. I had the whole (first) War Machine run. I also liked Bishop. So :P
As to Storm, when I read the X-books in the 80's I read her as more 'composite' than black (more caucasian features, african skin colour, blue slanted (asian-like) eyes, etc). To me she represented all of us more than a specific group. YMMV.
Read through the thread, but I'm 'picking on Mekkis' to put all my thoughts in one spot.
Yes, PFS is an honour system. And yes we should 'trust, but Verify' Campaign leadership is all about TbV. From the inventory trackng sheet to auditing process, to having to have the allowed resources document, it's all about trust but verify. I've never been asked to produce my PDFs, and have only had to ask a player once. I *will* check PDfs for more obscure sources (I actually carry my dead tree Elves of Golarion for Samiel's trick arrows, since it's quicker to pull up.)
Retirement, while not as much of a risk as death, *is* a risk. The complaining about Crane Wing seems to be that it went from a 'must have' to 'good to have.'* Rey 'suffers' from that he can't get a Familiar. I didn't know that when I built him. tal es muerte. My paperwork on Dexios sucks, so I don't play him anymore, etc.
The Synthiest mess** came from a mix of missing a detail in the rebuild rules (that specifically allowed complete rebuilds) and the simple fact that people were amplifying the most powerful option. I myself didn't have much sympathy for the 'Stephen Hawking in Tony Stark's armor' type things we were seeing, so I didn't worry much about the lamentations.
Something else to keep in mind, is 'the campaign leadership' that makes these decisions isn't just Mike and John. It's all the VOs, so Columbus has as much input as Charleston, and data from all over comes in. That's how they make decisions. Not "How do we screw over the martials this week." But "What's good for the campaign?"
Aside on the slumber hex. I must have the worst luck in Society. In Ksenia's 9 levels, I've constantly run into constructs, undead, half elves, swarms, night hags, etc that *can't* be slumbered. Plus you have to be in 30 feet of the target. Not where a mid-to-high level caster wants to be.
As to the 'it's the deflect arrows of melee' deflect arrows has a lot of qualifiers. Size, siege weapons, etc. Deflect arrows can't stop a boulder thown by a Rune giant, but crane wing can/could stop his sword.
synthest is fine for a home game. You can set up encounters/scenarios that shut down the eidilon, because you know he's in the home game and can modify enounters. If you try that in PFS, you 'friendly fire' any summoner
They're also the ones, for whom I, to quote Spike, "I find myself overwhelmed with not caring very much."
Freehold DM wrote:
I don't know about Blood Syndicate, but I'd love for a Static movie.
As for a 'black Reed Richards' I nominate This guy.
Oh, just realized something, as for 'ultimate fantastic four' The second movie was UFF, complete with Gal-ac-tus and a speech from the comic.
Shades of ice.
Party splits to fight the BBEG. I see the ground game is going and I'm in the loft with the zen archer (flurry of misses, ho!) so I fall back into disruptive mode. (She'd already eaten one of my arrows)
Me: "I ready an action to cast if either of theri casters cast."
Next round I'm readying the bow to hit her if she casts. She does, I shoot, and drop her. Fortunately I had 'Voices of the Dead' queued up on the tablet.
Samiel laments that he couldn't get down there in time to save her. (Killing people is bad business.)