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I have to say I despise the decision to allow wizards to have cool stuff in core, but to disallow martials from having cool stuff. That was a horrible decision. If wizards are allowed to learn spells that they find in a game even though they are not on the chronicle sheet, than martials should be able to purchase weapons/armor that they find in game too. Be fair about it. Both should get access to non-core toys or neither should.
I'm not aware of anything keeping the martials from buying items on the sheet. If you play <redacted> you can buy the merciful Aldori dueling sword on it. If you play <redacted> you can use the feats and archtypes opened up, even though archtypes aren't core.
Heh, the idea of having unique spells in core could be funny.
It's not snapdragon fireworks it's Sam's pseudodragon swarm
It's not create pit it's Ollie's Obulette.
Who's going to (in game) argue.
Not sure about 5 books in. Thunderbolts made it through their first issue w/o the reveal, 2nd if you count their hulk appearance (and that he slipped up and called Meteorite Moonstone.)
Going "I think we should make a list of what scenarios have non-core spells on them" IS violating the idea of core, just like listing that Among the Gods has <redacted> on it and would be cool to put on <redacted>* is. Chronicle fishing is generally frowned on. Chronicle fishing and listing a master list is especially frowned on.
Now I myself am a bit less askance at running something to apply the sheet to the character. Hells, I've been avoiding the Lissalla related Chronicals I've not played, because I think getting my slayer up to level 7, then running him through those, because he worships Lissala is cool and funny. The animal companion boon from *redacted* was scattered across two PCs from my GMing, and I did make a point to hold off on playing my gnome so I could get it on her.**
Normnal PC "What, we have to do redacted! That's insane!"
yes there's nothing special about Among the Gods, I couldn't resist the thought of people scurrying to see what the non-exisitant boon was
Maybe meta, but I also lost the complete DRagon's Demand sheet set on her because the game fell through. If we'd completed the module, she'd have leveled out of <redacted> so it's a wash. Also it's of limited benefit, because I don't want my small gnome riding a large axebeak.
If you want to "exploit" the rules, here's how.
GM scenarios and apply the chronicles to your PCs.
Stop asking for a list of where <redacted> appears in <redacted>, to squeeze every last bit of cheese out you can. I mean I'm looking forward to running <redacted> in core, not for the addition to the animal companion list, but because I like all three scenarios. Likewise, running The Devil We know might have exotic spells on the sheet, but they're FUN.
There's one scenario where the party gets attacked by bandits that are all rangers with favoured enemy animal. The two druids when I ran it thought their dual rhinos were cute, until they both got dropped in the first round ;-)
Freehold DM wrote:
I miss Titania...didn't she die a few years back despite being the girlfriend of the most powerful being in the universe (sorta kinda)? I wouldn't say she was a joke character per se, but she's hard to take seriously unless in the hands of a talented author.
That's Volcana, created at the same time (secret wars). She recently showed up as a villian in Shulkies' book, which confused me as I saw her as a hero a few years ago.
Damon Griffin wrote:
Well, depending on how Arrow's pits work, and the drug that Malcom used on Thea, a revived Sara, who's set out to kill Merlin and team Arrow could take the name 'white canary' since Malcom killed her as Black Canary.
Freehold DM wrote:
First Justice League episode I saw was the part 2 of the Aquaman story. When he goes "I believe this is mine," and walks away leaving Ocean Master to die, I went "Superfriends, we are not."
Speaking for Samiel and me.
1) What are your party (and its members if they differ) comfortable with killing? Samiel: I prefer negotiation to combat. Even slavery, which I personally find distasteful, can be dealt with as businessmen. People who cross the family, though I'm perfectly comfortable with sending a message. Murder is just not good business
2) What do they not like killing? Samiel: See above. I dislike my ocmpanions' bloodlust.
3) What does the DM (or you if you are the DM) really not like being killed, what will they come down upon? Me: As a non-PFS GM, I dislike friendly fire (killing innocents to get to the BBEG) and when they screw up and kill the plot related NPCs. As a PFS GM, I don't worry much about who they kill. The later scenarios especially, don't reward murder hobos.
4) What makes a murderhobo for you? Me: Ususally, and Alchemists. Since they rely on short term buffs, they're more prone to shoot first, shoot again, and hope someone has speak with dead prepped.
5) Does ruthlessly killing the villains/bad folk without negotiating make one a murderhobo in your opinion? Samiel: Yes! If you indiscriminately kill the 'bad guy' you alienate his family, his friends, and can start a cycle of violence that is a downward spiral.
6) Do you think the violent escapism in pathfinder/dnd is a bad thing, i.e. finding almost any excuse to fight and kill, roll those attack and damage die and see your enemies driven before you? No more than playing Doom is going to get me to go take a shotgun and a chainsaw to the local Starbucks. The emphasis on "you get XP for bypassing the encounter as well as killing it." in 3.x and Pathfinder rewards that.
See, I was thinking how awesome it will be to see these on chronicle sheets in hte future (two already are)
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Sebastian, reply in spoiler, since it's kind of off topic.
I'm saying I never understood the furor about people 'stocking up' on the two races prior to the lockdown. 1) It was basic economic theory (reducing a supply makes people stock up against future demand) and 2) You can only play one character at a time. If one person has (say) 24 aasimars in 'storage' from the grace period, she's only going to have one aasimar at a time regardless.
I have a character idea that a kayal would be awesome for, but since I never got a fetchling boon, that idea remains stillborn. Same thing for the changeling slayer I thought up some time ago. That's life.
And this is coming from the guy who jokes "Yes, I'm playing Samiel, you've a shot at killing a legacy character." And jokingly cackles evily when a 'boon race' shows up with our local players when I'm GMing. (Up to and including taunting one of our VLs when I ran a scenario with his Undine.) The locals know I don't single out anyone for abuse, and I'm kidding. I'd not joke like that to a stranger.
Also one of my tieflings I got a race boon from our VC, about two weeks before the race opened up. I laughed at the timing.
Staying on topic, it's not 'unbalanced' to have legacy characters, anymore than it is for my one witch to have the slumber hex. Eventually all the legacy characters are going to level out, and the issue will be closed. If a player is unable to imagine a character without exploiting the SLA to make early entry over and over, it would be like if *every* hex capable character I ever made had the slumber hex. It shows a lack of creativity.*
Or like my blobs of credit, they're going to sit there, and not do anything.
Locals might think I'm in a rut like that since almost every PC of mine can entangle, either by spell or by arrow. Amusingly part of that is table variation. Samiel is an archerologist, trick arrows make sense. Most all my PCs carry a bow as a backup, I just have the misfortune of being at tables where there are close combat types that outdo my close combat types, and entangling a target at least allows me to do *something* to contribute.
*shrug* I've no PCs impacted by the ruling, but it makes sense.
As to the Tiefling/Aasimar thing...
The furor over the grandfathering window always amused me. I've two of each in limbo, plus my three active planetouched (assimar archeologist, tiefling archeologist and tiefling inquisitor). The four 'spares' are sitting there, not for power, but for when I've an idea for another character that being planetouched fits. So far, nothing has 'sang to me' that it needs a planetouched background. Closest I've had is a slayer or inquisitor grimspawn of Pharasma who also has the soul eating trait from the DArchive.
"I'm just the guy who arranges the meeting between the Lady and the pentient." *casts deathknell on the guy he just dropped*
"What the hell was that for?"
Though the idea of a pit spawn bard, who takes spell focus enchantment and specializes in those kind of spells, is funny. "I can't help it I'm good at making friends and seducing people... succubus blood."
Edit: I am sad that it closes the rogue/arcane strike trick. (minor magic/major magic, not racial SLAs) since they could use the damage bump and a pure rogue has little use for swift actions.
I checked out the first issue and went, meh.
Hells, Michael Badalino would kick this Ghost Rider's ass.
Ok, I want to double check this...
Does my animal companion *have* to get large when it hits that level?
I've a gnome ranger, and I don't want my mount to go to large size, since I use him indoors.
And does anyone know how to tell Herolab I don't want it?
Edit, and if I'm reading this right, the wolf, for example, can either at 7th level get Size Large; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d8 plus trip); Ability Scores Str +8, Dex –2, Con +4. Or can just get a +2 dex and +2 con. Huh?
I agree with the green tea gamer
A certain scenario involves a very lethal magus. My bard isn't optimised or anything, so I was just going for damage with sound burst.
Natural one brings us one dead magus as the rest of the party comes in to take advantage of the stunned magus.
No one was happy to see shocking grasp scimitar boy in combat. No one complained about not having fun.
We see more complaints about "hug it to death" Tetori monks in single fights than my witch.
I understand where you're coming from. While I like the Slayer (Basically what I tried to build multiclassing between fighter and rogue) the volume of options is hard to keep track of in organized play. Indeed, that's part of why I'm excited about core. Not only to lure new players in "One book, two if you want to play a summoning type." But because as a PFS GM I won't have as many 'what the hell' moments.
I ran this with not nearly enough prep, and a dodgy printer.
Some notes from my run.
Hargur and Vangru became "Bill" and "Bob" I played Bill a bit like the Brain from Gremlins II. Still pretty feral, but trying oh so hard to be civilized. Bob was a lot more feral. "Bill and Bob produce some slightly rancid meat from their pouches. Bob tears into his, while Bill also pulls out a mess kit, fork, knife and a napkin he puts around his neck."
Best part was when Bob offered the 'slaver' a hunk of meat. He took it and ate it, then asked what kind of meat it was. "Halfling! Good!" was Bob's reply.
No one knowlege planes the Djinn, so the Andorans opened fire. That an andoran killed the slave... amuses me. That they almost killed the trustee slave as well was darkly funny...
Final fight, party busts out into the courtyard and face one Hyeanadon the barbarian, Bill and Bob. Bill says, "huh, well this is awkward..." (We were running short on time so I omitted one Hyenadon)
They ended up killing the gnolls, except Bill, he ran away and they let him go, because they liked him.
John John wrote:
Funny, the people who agree with him include the Paizo staff.
Inner Sea Gods wrote:
For higher level characters, remember that these armors can be upgraded like any other magic item by adding “plus equivalent” or “gp value” abilities, then paying the difference between the original item’s price and the price of the item when upgraded with the additional special abilities. Likewise, variants of these armors may exist using different types of armor, such as Deadeye leather, which is made from leather armor instead of studded leather. The full rules for customizing magic armor and shields can be found in Chapter 15 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
And believe me, I wish such upgrading was possible in PFS. I've a GM credit baby with a Sidhidron Medalion that I'd love to upgrade.
I was a big fan of Eric. I'm sad that Marvel came out with 3.5" Beta Ray Bill, but no Thunderstrike.
Freehold DM wrote:
Hope not, for her sake.
Eric was apparently always fated to die a hero by editorial. As much as I liked the sinister superhero, I'm happy he's stayed dead. He died a heroes death, bringing him back... would cheapen it for me.
Common sense, isn't. :-)
You do get me wondering about the MCU though. Rumors point to Steve dying in Civil War, and Bucky/Winter Soldier picking up the shield.
Don Cheadle is 50 himself, RDjr is 50 this year. Sebastian Stan is 32, Anthony Mackie is 34. So Rhodey = Taking up the armor runs into the same aging concerns as Tony, short of recasting.
So, how will the movies affect the comics if we get 6 movies of Bucky (or Sam) as Cap?* Could the MCU do what the comics have never been able to do for long, put someone else in the title and make it stick? If we don't get Rhodey taking up the Iron Man-tle, do we get a new character in the movieverse? And does he jump to the comics like Phil Colson did?
Unless we see the Mind Gem used to bring 'Bucky Back' like the cosmic cube did in the comics, I'd like to see 'Captain America 4' be Sam and Natasha saving Bucky and bringing him back. Essentially it would be the reverse of the comic timeline, with Sam being Falcap, and then honoring Steve's request and bringing Bucky to be Cap.
One thing I did like (but apparently the sales show I was in the minority) were Savage Hulk and Savage Wolverine. Stories back in the character's past. Allowed a variety of 'fill in the blank' stories in the sliding timescale.
Oh I firmly agree. Dick was successful as Nightwing, and he could be Batman, but he was successful as Nightwing. I want Sam-as-Falcon to be as successful, Rhodey-as-War Machine, John-as-Steel etc. Sam-as-Cap may be successful, but it feels like he's still in Steve's shadow.
(I've said in the past that Steel should be DC's Iron Man, successful businessman and power armor user. Superman can be his inspiration, like how people are inspired irl by the comics as kids, or many scientists cite Star Trek as what 'got them into' science. But a John Henry enterprises that builds robotics and light exoskeletions to help people, and he builds the Steel armor to be a hero would rock.)
Of course, with Secret Wars, we might have a universe where Tony, Thor, and Steve are out of the picture, and a new Iron Man, Thora, and Falcap are the 'default'.
I think part of the problem with the 'big' characters is that, for better or worse, the companies are reluctant to disturb the status quo for long periods of time.
Most of the "Cap isn't Steve Rogers" storylines I've read for example, highlight that Steve Rogers is Cap. Bucky-cap is different than Steve, but the Man without the country storyline years ago showed that Steve is still Cap, even without the logo. The ideals that he represents don't go away if he's not in the red white and blue.
Likewise, John Walker's stint in the uniform in the 80s was showing that the uniform doesn't make the man.
Bruce is still Batman, even if you take his resources away. Dickbats, like BuckyCap, is different. If you had Buckycap, or Dickbats or SamCap for that matter, as Cap for ten or 15 years, you might find that they come into their own. (I think both Steve and BuckyCap could hold their own stories, as could Bruce and Dickbats, but I'm not in the industry.)
(Dick Grayson is the exception it seems, as he had a long and successful career and book as Nightwing, where Sam, Rhodey, John Henry, etc, never really got out from their 'sidekick' status. Which is a shame as I like Falcon, War Machine and Steel)
X-Factor's success, and niche, in the past has been that PAD could run with the characters no one wanted, and make them into characters people want. PAD redefined Quicksilver in one page with his PMS (Pietro Maximoff Syndrome) in X-factor, and he took Multiple Man, Rictor and Shatterstar and made them unique and interesting. (Shatterstar for frak's sake!) Likewise, when the previous incarnation of X-Factor ended, other writers actually fought over Monet. You'd never see the Powers that Be risk their 'a-list' characters under such revision. Even when it works (Another example would be PADs run on the Hulk, radically redefining the character) eventually status quo seems to rear its ugly head.
(Aside, I'm hoping Marvel keeps Wolverine dead for at least 10 years. Laura coming into her own, and Inverted Sabertooth dealing with his past have much more interesting stories to tell. I wish they'd kept Colossus and Medusa inverted, as well as Mystique.)
I doubt they'd go that way either, and it would need some rebooting.
(getting off topic, so I'll spoiler it)
My Avengers, for example, would need Tony and Thor out of the way, and would keep Steve old doing the Bruce Wayne to Sam's Terry McGuenniss (I've seen some people call the current book "Capman Beyond.") It also would have a rebooted Hank and Janet, since current Janet is way different than her EMH counterpart. Earth's Mightiest Heroes Hank also is different, since he's more of a 'treat and cure the bad guy' character than current Hank. I'd actually kill/remove Tony for at least 5 years, so Rhodey could really be his own Iron Man/War Machine.
I'd also remove/merge 616 Hank and Jan, and then destory/seal off the EMH universe, so EMH Hank and Jan aren't always trying to 'get home' and 'settle in.' In fact, it could be a story point if EMH Hank and Jan are from 20-30 years ago, they could take the 'man out of time' aspect that Cap always had for storytelling aspects.
Rhodey (and his own book) would be an interesting challenge. I mean he should be able to do basic repairs of his armor, but he's no Tony Stark. He'd have a supporting cast in his own book, I'd not want Tony to be his armorer, rather have a mechanic, and distance himself from Stark Industries (being run by Pepper, who would be a recurring character) for liability reasons. Maybe Parker Industries could tie in? One reason I like Rhodey is that he can't just 'invent a gadget to save the day' He uses his skills as a soldier and a professional and his armor when written correctly.
Hmm, another team book just came to mind.
The Professionals. Pepper Potts, Jen Walters, Dwayne Tayor (Bring him back from the dead) a rebooted Warren Worthington and Peter Parker in a book of corporate espionage and challenges. Essentially rotate through the roster and tell stories of business in the super hero world.
In fact, I'd love to see a 'Spider-men' book, with Married Peter Parker and Parker Industries. Have Peter taking Miles Morales under his wing. It would have the dual hooks of Peter mentoring someone with different powers than himself, and trying to balance his 'great power' as Spider-man, as well as the 'great responsibility' of what Parker Industries can do (and being a family man).
Hmm, if you use the terregen bomb from the current storyline, and have Parker industries make it worse somehow, it means that Hank and Peter can be trying to make a 'cure' for Terragenesis, which would put them in direct conflict with Medusa and Blackbolt.
Medusa: "They're inhumans, it's who they are!"
I *love* Darkleaf cloth. Amusingly, my slayer's level 4, and I'm going to be running around with non-magical armor (but magical shield and other AC boosting items) until I can afford celestial chain. :-)
Hmm lots of comments
My two c-bills.
Depends on how it merges. Spiderverse is interesting to me, since it appears they really went all out on all the Spider man realities, from the newspaper comic, to the 60's cartoon, to the current cartoon (and then the cartoon was supposed to have an episode tying in, but I dropped cable, so I don't know.)
What I'd like to see spin out of itr.
An Avengers (With She-Thor, Falcap and Rhodey as the 'big three' Avengers EMH Wasp and Hank)
Then a number of alternate books.
Spiderman and wife.
Spider Gwen (would be interesting to see how you could go in a different direction)
X-factor forever (Seriously, if you can find this mini-series, read it.)
etc. Self encapsulated books that could cross over.
But then again, the marvel comics I read are X-factor (sob) and Spiderman 2099.
(Aside, if PAD could handle it, I'd love to see an 'Avengers-Factor' Where he does for C-list Avengers what he's done for c-list mutants.)
Re: DC. Dick becoming Batman was well done, and it was one of the saddest bits of the reboot how they destroyed him. I liked the vibe towards the end that Damian was Dick's Robin, but Tim was Bruce's Robin.
And I loved Steph-Batgirl.
(Aside the second, I'd loved to have seen a book with Steph, Wendy, Rose and other 'children of villians' as an Outsiders kind of team. We could include Conner in that list as well)
I really was exposed to DC through the DCAU, so John is 'my' Green Lantern too. :-)
Season 0, Mists of Mwangi
Season 1, The Devil We Know series.
Season 2 Strangely enough, I've not played many of them. The Bloodcove disguise is one I did play, and enjoyed it.
Season 3 Quest for Perfection*
Season 4 Nightmarch, The Disappeared** Fortress of the Nail***
Season 5 The Stolen Heir (for making Andoran players squirm) The Confirmation (My Janeira has a Kathy Bates/Misery crush on Kreighton Shane), Library of the Lion.
Season 6 So far Valley of the Veiled FLame.
And now the footnotes.
Pt 2 led to way to many innuendo jokes about the party's junk. I played the Magnificent Seven theme during the briefing for pt 3. (Then felt old that no one caught it.) And the A-Team theme during the 'defending the village' bit.
I do modify the mission briefing a bit. "Good morning Pathfinders. This is Zarta Draleen, the Paracountess. The Cheliaxian embassy now denies she ever existed. Your mission, should you choose to accept it...
And end it with, "if discovered, the Ten will disavow all knowledge of your team." Complete with the music playing in the background.
I then cue up the plot when the party tackles the cypher. Just the first 50 or so seconds though.
When I played it, I was playing my Tiefling inquisitor/Lawyer. So I got to present the evidence. We still believed that prestidigitation did the soft music bit from 3.5, so I walked to present the evidence to This. Again, a clear gap in age between who got it and who didn't.