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I'm worried about the rust monster, gelatinous cube, mimic, and flumph myself."Ohhh, won't somebody please think of thechildrenflumphs!"
They are all I ever think about.
Does world of Warcraft use OGL?
Because that game has owl bears
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The loss of the ettercap and phase spider will hurt the most. I may be an arachnophobe, but those two monsters were fantastically cool and flavorful. Shoutout as well to the owlbear and (never-adapted) aranea, and all the old silly monsters like flumphs and wolves-in-sheep's-clothing. I feel bad for the locathah and grippli* fans, too, though they'll likely get off with a rename.
*I'm assuming grippli are OGL?
Awwww, I'll miss ettercaps (aka web lurkers)! They're so sweet with how they care for their little spider buddies, even though the narratives always treat that like a BAD thing!
Does world of Warcraft use OGL?
Because that game has owl bears
The difference is Blizzard is huge and not competing with WotC. It would not only be a worthless battle to go against them, WoW is so entrenched in the gaming space even on decline WoTC would do less harm to their brand by actively decrying matt mercery as an ugly boy who can't gm and should never get another voice actor roll.
It would be monumentally stupid, and I know they can do stupid things... but that would be next level.
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Does world of Warcraft use OGL?
Because that game has owl bears
The difference is Blizzard is huge and not competing with WotC. It would not only be a worthless battle to go against them, WoW is so entrenched in the gaming space even on decline WoTC would do less harm to their brand by actively decrying matt mercery as an ugly boy who can't gm and should never get another voice actor roll.
It would be monumentally stupid, and I know they can do stupid things... but that would be next level.
I mean, they sent the PINKERTONS to a guy to threaten him and his wife’s life over a bunch of cards, at this point WoTC attempting to sue Blizzard over owlbears wouldn’t exactly be suprising
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I mean, they sent the PINKERTONS to a guy to threaten him and his wife’s life over a bunch of cards, at this point WoTC attempting to sue Blizzard over owlbears wouldn’t exactly be suprising
Kinda my point. They are happy punching down, but against an entity that can fight back and has an audience crossover that can hurt them... I wouldn't imagine they would do this unless there was direct competition, and even then.
Put it simply, in the last 12 months hasbro had 5.7b in revenue, activision blizzard had 8.1b.
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The difference is the guy with the cards didn't have the resources to fight back. WotC likes a small target to bully; WoW could bully them right back.
I am curious about mimics, though. Mimics are super common in media, and the name is pretty generic. They might squeak by, but I bet the "stock mimic" art might stop being a chest, and the name might change. We'll see!
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The difference is the guy with the cards didn't have the resources to fight back. WotC likes a small target to bully; WoW could bully them right back.
I am curious about mimics, though. Mimics are super common in media, and the name is pretty generic. They might squeak by, but I bet the "stock mimic" art might stop being a chest, and the name might change. We'll see!
That is already the case.
https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=300
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I do not know why anyone still reads my posts when I know so little about anything I talk about. XD
Nah, that's very cool! You love to see an evil chair. Much more evocative; suggests some potentially very awkward combat encounters. They might still have to change the name, of course.
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The dreaded... doppelfürnitur
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Stuff like the Otyughs, flumphs, and so forth, that WotC never really did much with but which Paizo gave a distinct personality, are whats going to hurt the most.
What I wonder about is Drow. I mean, a lot of the major pathfinder ancestries are generic enough to fantasy they should be fine. DnD elves, dwarves, etc are all pretty generic, and Pathfinder goblins and gnomes are pretty distinct from the DnD version.
While Drow as a name is from folklore, their identity as "evil matriarchial demon-worshipping subterranean "dark-skinned" elves with white hair seems like pretty specific IP. Any one of those traits would be fine by itself, but together they feel distinct to DnD.
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"Dark-skinned" drow aren't a thing in Pathfinder, at least, and the spider theme has been significantly dialed back. I think there's a very obvious inspiration Paizo should use, personally...
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"Dark-skinned" drow aren't a thing in Pathfinder, at least, and the spider theme has been significantly dialed back. I think there's a very obvious inspiration Paizo should use, personally...
Well, now you've gone and smurfed it. :)
In Pathfinder, all elves are matriarchal, so I think the real things "deep elves" have to worry about is the name. "Ominous counterparts who live underground" is literally the plot of Us.
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I am not ready to mourn anything until I hear that they're actually gone. Even then, I'm likely to keep my old Bestiaries around to keep using these things in my house game.
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"Dark-skinned" drow aren't a thing in Pathfinder, at least, and the spider theme has been significantly dialed back. I think there's a very obvious inspiration Paizo should use, personally...Well, now you've gone and smurfed it. :)
Wait, how’d you get that Smurf pfp?
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WHA?!!?!
Wait, does Paizo own the license to smurfs or something?
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So... I'm pretty sure that Dire Wolves came straight out of Tolkein, and weren't meaningfully modified. Sure, D&D then turned that into a profusion of "Dire [animal]" templates, but the "Dire" modifier itself was pretty generic.
Dire Corbies may still be viable.
Th Otyughs are a loss... but i feel like it's one that could be readily replaced by some other trash-dwelling aberration.
I thought Toljein gave wargs. Dire wolves are megafaunish prehistoric animals.
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Wait, does Paizo own the license to smurfs or something?
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. :)
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Wait, does Paizo own the license to smurfs or something?Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. :)
Smurfbold, a Smurf version of your usual pfp!
Is that a coincidence or did it choose that specifically because of your pfp?
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It's a whole thing.
You know what I mourn? Shocker lizards. Corrosive lizards just aren't the same.
Hopefully the Paizo boards won't lose the smurfing easter egg because Hasbro owns the brand.
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Does world of Warcraft use OGL?
Because that game has owl bears
The difference is Blizzard is huge and not competing with WotC. It would not only be a worthless battle to go against them, WoW is so entrenched in the gaming space even on decline WoTC would do less harm to their brand by actively decrying matt mercery as an ugly boy who can't gm and should never get another voice actor roll.
It would be monumentally stupid, and I know they can do stupid things... but that would be next level.
It's also worth noting that TSR and Early WotC let things go in a way that Hasbro doesn't. If Final Fantasy came out today, it really would be final. Hasbro would shut that down immediately. If Doom reused Astral Dreadnought art, it would be sued. Of course, if Chainmail had sued Gygax, we would never have reached this point. On the other hand, when Lord of the Rings sued D&D over Hobbits, Halflings became more interesting.
(off the top of my head, so details might be incorrect)
I thought Toljein gave wargs. Dire wolves are megafaunish prehistoric animals.So... I'm pretty sure that Dire Wolves came straight out of Tolkein, and weren't meaningfully modified. Sure, D&D then turned that into a profusion of "Dire [animal]" templates, but the "Dire" modifier itself was pretty generic.
Dire Corbies may still be viable.
Th Otyughs are a loss... but i feel like it's one that could be readily replaced by some other trash-dwelling aberration.
Tolkien pulled Warg from Old Norse language/folklore, as it is a Anglicization of the word Vargr, a word that means wolf and has been used for Fenrir and similar monstrous Norse wolves.
So Warg is safe
"Dark-skinned" drow aren't a thing in Pathfinder, at least, and the spider theme has been significantly dialed back. I think there's a very obvious inspiration Paizo should use, personally...
Hence the quotes. Although DnD also changed their color to a not dissimilar blue shade. Not sure who did what first though.
I'd still say that Drow might be too close to the IP of WotC, at least as close as the Chromatic dragons are which clearly are a cause of concern. And given the popularity of Drizzt (who in one draft was suppose to even show up in the recent DnD movie), it seems like something WotC might be more interested in protecting than say...the flumph.
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I do hope that Paizo will eventually give us dark elves as a playable ancestry.
oh and lest I forget, have a smurfy day, evening, or afternoon or morning!
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I am not ready to mourn anything until I hear that they're actually gone. Even then, I'm likely to keep my old Bestiaries around to keep using these things in my house game.
My main sorrow would be losing favorite NPCs from Organized Play. Hats the Otyugh was universally loved, and Biglock the mimic has been a major NPC throughout the current season. But I could see Biglock shapeshifting to something other than a chest if they let mimics hang around.
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I just had a really silly idea for a PC inspired by this conversation: the Golarion equivalent of a cryptozoologist who's adventuring to find evidence of OGL monsters in the wild, treating owlbears and rust monsters like cryptids. Even if they're in a campaign where these monsters DO show up, they can also still believe in monsters that never made the initial jump to Pathfinder!
"I'm telling you, there's a society of squid-faced, brain-eating psychic humanoids living in the Darklands! Neothelids are what happen when they don't put their tadpoles in a humanoid's brain to gestate!"
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The difference is the guy with the cards didn't have the resources to fight back. WotC likes a small target to bully; WoW could bully them right back.
I am curious about mimics, though. Mimics are super common in media, and the name is pretty generic. They might squeak by, but I bet the "stock mimic" art might stop being a chest, and the name might change. We'll see!
You don't think the fact that they're depicted in every video rpg ever as treasure chest monsters and are usually even called mimics will help?
I just feel like at this they're way too ubiquitous as treasure chest monsters to copyright.
At the same time, there's a difference between "can get away with using this without realistic fear of litigation" and "can actually put this under the ORC". I am very much not any kind of lawyer, and I don't know where exactly that gets sliced or how sharp the knife is, but it seems pretty clear that there is a difference, to the point that "a bunch of people have used it this way in the past" may well not be enough.
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At the same time, there's a difference between "can get away with using this without realistic fear of litigation" and "can actually put this under the ORC". I am very much not any kind of lawyer, and I don't know where exactly that gets sliced or how sharp the knife is, but it seems pretty clear that there is a difference, to the point that "a bunch of people have used it this way in the past" may well not be enough.The difference is the guy with the cards didn't have the resources to fight back. WotC likes a small target to bully; WoW could bully them right back.
I am curious about mimics, though. Mimics are super common in media, and the name is pretty generic. They might squeak by, but I bet the "stock mimic" art might stop being a chest, and the name might change. We'll see!
You don't think the fact that they're depicted in every video rpg ever as treasure chest monsters and are usually even called mimics will help?
I just feel like at this they're way too ubiquitous as treasure chest monsters to copyright.
That's a good point. If one's packaging an RPG system to share w/ other content creators, it's wise to draw clear lines wherein every concept is legally safe (or at least less blurry lines). As Paizo has mentioned, this won't keep us from transferring the wholly functional PF2 stats already printed for home use. And authors outside Paizo will dabble in legacy monsters since grognards be liking their grognard monsters, that is if the stats ever become nonfunctional.
Other than discovering a mountain of trash or searching a sewer system and wondering "Where's the poop monster?", I doubt we'll miss the monsters in actual play since Paizo will fill in other very appropriate monsters instead. (With exceptions for the developed monster-characters in PFS.) And yes, that's what a group of my players called Otyoughs. And I am talking about the loss of the current batch of monsters: I still kinda miss Mind Flayers & Beholders deep underground, as if there were a gap in the ecosystem.
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The difference is the guy with the cards didn't have the resources to fight back. WotC likes a small target to bully; WoW could bully them right back.
I am curious about mimics, though. Mimics are super common in media, and the name is pretty generic. They might squeak by, but I bet the "stock mimic" art might stop being a chest, and the name might change. We'll see!
You don't think the fact that they're depicted in every video rpg ever as treasure chest monsters and are usually even called mimics will help?
I clearly do, since I mentioned that exact point in my post. ;)
The concept of "critter that pretends to be inanimate object to fool prey" is generic enough that I don't think WotC could really claim IP. The specific image of a treasure chest opening up to reveal a giant tongue and teeth though might be.
So I could see a redesign in the look of the monster, or simply illustrate it using other furniture.
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Hnn.
Not happy about this in any way, shape or form.
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Hnn.
Not happy about this in any way, shape or form.
If you are referring to the legal requirements, can you suggest an alternative?
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It already is different furniture in the 2E art.
They could even do a joke about it.
"Yeah, we stopped doing the treasure chest disguise a while ago. People were catching on to it and started attacking treasure chests on sight just to make sure they weren't one of us. It's an iconic look, yeah, but it's pretty much useless now. A chest of drawers, however? They never see it coming!"
I got that reference.Hnn.
Not happy about this in any way, shape or form.
I... didn't?
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I think it's a joke about mimics changing shapes and forms.
What about quickling? Is that going to go?
What about quickling? Is that going to go?
Quickling the name is pretty much a D&D thing: the only use of it otherwise is a young insect. Nothing would stop them from continuing to use a very fast fey creature with a different name though.
So let me get this straight: in P2ERM, Paizo will need to remove monsters due to their own removal from the OGL?
I've just seen the Diabolical Dragon blog post, meaning that the 10 iconic dragons will be removed.
How protective Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro have become over their IP again?
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So let me get this straight: in P2ERM, Paizo will need to remove monsters due to their own removal from the OGL?
I've just seen the Diabolical Dragon blog post, meaning that the 10 iconic dragons will be removed.
How protective Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro have become over their IP again?
Minor correction, no dragons will be removed from the world. The new dragons are simply new dragons, though the ten to which you refer may be on the back burner for a while.
As for how protective, that's been the subject of some infamy lately in regards to the Magic: the Gathering IP, but it should be noted that the point is as much never to provoke the giant with more money and lawyers who may be willing to wage war by attrition regardless the outcome of the legal battle.