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Thanks for the great suggestions, Gohaken.

I don't know if I really want to replace any of my feats, but that Adopted trait looks really good, as does the Titanic armor. I also will be getting the gauntlets, as well. It was things like that I was talking about in looking for.

As for the traits I have now. Armor Expert, Giant-blooded and I can't remember the name now, but gives me +1 on Profession checks.

But I can certainly see myself swapping out Armor Expert for Adopted.

I definitely planned on getting myself a Belt of Giant Strength later on. Part of my anticipated +21 CMB is having a +2 belt (will of course go higher than that eventually).

I will probably be getting the Ioun stone (Thorny), as well. Thanks so much for all the great suggestions, Gohaken.

And yeah, I really like the Titan Fighter, looking forward in giving him a good go. :)


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Well, I've actually already built him, he is for PFS. I have a pretty good focus on where I want to go with him, but mainly looking for suggestions on how to raise my CMB, whether through magic items or otherwise.

Shamus Xavier Zhorg

STR 18
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 12
CHA 8

A little backstory on him. He has the Giantslayer trait from the Giant Hunters Handbook (yes, I have the boon), so he is a larger than normal human. 6' 10", 365 lbs, flaming red hair and extremely large hands and wields a Large-sized Greatsword.

For how big he is, and how effective a fighter he will be, his first love, and eventual goal, is still retiring from the now necessary adventuring life and open up his own store. He is of course Exchange faction, and even took Skill Focus: Merchant, as one of my 1st level feats. Here is what my feats look like so far:

1st Skill Focus: Merchant
Weapon Focus: Greatsword
2nd Combat Reflexes
3rd Power Attack
4th Furious Focus
5th Improved Overrun
6th Vital Strike
7th Charge Through
8th Improved Critical: Greatsword
9th Greater Overrun
10th Greater Weapon Focus: Greatsword
11th Improved Vital Strike

What I envision my character in combat is very much like Juggernaut in X-Men. Due to the minuses I am taking with wielding a Large-sized greatsword and through my archetype, he is mainly going to be a first attack offense. Charge (overrun) and attack, attack once and move, and so on. There may be times I stay in one place for more iterative attacks, depending on the situation, but it will be the exception not the norm.

Yes, I know there are better overrun builds, especially in using a Barbarian, but this isn't focused solely on overrun as indicated in my other feats.

What my main question is what methods are there for me being able to raise my CMB, looking mainly through magic items? Right now I am looking at around +21 at 9th level (depending on which items I have), and I know that just isn't going to be enough, especially considering I need to beat their CMD by 5 to knock them prone. I am relatively set on my feats, unless I hear something that would be clearly better. But I do want to stay with the Vital Strike route, as well. Also, would you recommend a better order for the feats that I have? I had Weapon Specialization in there for the longest time, but just couldn't find the space to keep it in. I projected I will be doing in the area of close to +20 (at 9th level and with Power Attack), so I figured losing the +2 would be an acceptable loss.

Thanks for those taking the time to read and any suggestions would be much appreciated. :)


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Nefreet wrote:
DrParty06 wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
What are the rules in regards to boon trading (online)? Are scanned copies sent via email ok? Or do you need to mail the originals to one another?
Scanned or .pdf copies are fine. You should write on it "Initially issued to [your PFS#]. Traded to [PFS #] on [Date Traded].

I must emphasize that not everyone is okay receiving photocopies/scans/printouts/what-have-you. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's wanted.

I've been burned twice on shady-looking copies, and personally will never accept anything but a physical sheet from a Convention.

Please be honest and up front when stating what you have to trade. If it's a digital copy, you should include that fact when you're posting what you have for trade.

I was willing to go snail mail or digital, the digital was the offer from the other side (which again, I am ok with). When printing it out it is evident it is a scanned copy (as it has the white border with the darker/more shaded area of the boon sheet itself), but as long as I don't get told at the table that this is not legal, I am fine with how it looks. It is still very legible.

To me it looks like a legitimate copy (I don't know what shady ones look like), but the person I am doing the trade with is well known and respected here, so I certainly don't think that is an issue. :)

Btw, it was a pleasure to meet you at Scotty's, Nefreet. Even though you wouldn't trade me for that Giantslayer boon. :P


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Ok, thanks.


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What are the rules in regards to boon trading through this thread? Are scanned copies sent via email ok? Or do you need to mail the originals to one another?


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Alex Smith 908 wrote:


I get that the alternative ways such as encounter packs and separate huge add-ons didn't work. Hence why my question was referring to the old way things worked in the original DDM line. Though I could easily see Kalindlara's explanation beinf the reason.

Do we have any sort confirmation that War of the Dragon Queen, Against the Giants, and such huge sets in the old DDM didn't make enough money to justify their cost?

Well, I did say the reason was because the huge minis just didn't sell, which is one in the same in being 'unprofitable'. So yes, as Kalindlara had also indicated.

As for the old DDM lines, if you remember, the quality of the PPM went down as the line got further along. A lot of that having to do with the mounting cost, which has been said more than once (and by Erik) that PPM are more expensive, much more expensive now, to produce.

If you remember, a booster box of DDM was only $8.99, and that was for eight miniatures. Now, you get four minis with the price almost doubled. So yes, much more expensive.

If I remember correctly, with War of the Dragon Queen, a booster box being around $20 for one huge and 4 medium/small sized minis. For something like that now, it probably would be at least $35 for one booster box, and you'd probably only get the huge mini or one medium, if you are lucky. There would be very little people that would be willing to pay that kind of money. And almost no one willing to pay for a case of it.


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Ryzoken wrote:


Which is irksome specifically in the case of Shadow/Slick armor since those are clearly direct scaling enchants, but it is what it is I guess.

So those cannot be upgraded as they are 'named' armors? What would be the difference if you bought armor, paid the +3,750 to give it the Shadow ability, compared to if you bought the named Shadow armor? If there is no difference, why can't you upgrade the named Shadow armor as mechanically they are one in the same?


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I don't have any photos of them, but the two more promotional minis Erik was making reference to were released during the two main specials. One was a Fire Beetle and the other was a Duergar Soldier.

Both look very good, even the Duergar's face is painted quite well.

I can see both minis to be very popular as you normally are going to need a large amount (or at least group) of them, especially the Fire Beetle. I know I am going to find myself purchasing more from Paizo's website when they are put up.


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Alex Smith 908 wrote:
What was the reason they couldn't include them with the normal packs at a slightly higher price point like Giants of Legend and Lords of Madness in the old D&D minis line?

What Erik indicated, it is pretty much what Kalindlara said, and that's the demand isn't there (sadly). The huges, whether through encounter packs or the additional huges added onto the set (like RotRL), just don't sell. Same with the horde sets (which Erik also said not to expect to see again).

What was nice to hear that Erik did confirm that the PFB line overall (the main sets) is doing extremely well. I will admit, I did wonder how well the line has done, but it appears to be going strong, which is a good thing. I just wish there was a realistic (profitable) way to consistently release huge minis, as well.

Edit: Oh, and the other thing I wanted to add is I did ask Erik about the somewhat consistent issue of humanoid faces not being painted as well. He nodded his head immediately (acknowledging) and seemed very frustrated about it, and said that they are going to try and move more of them to rare slots.

I asked him if rares had better attention paid to them, and he said yes. That is something I was not aware of, myself. But he indicated because they have more time to spend on them since there are less of them to paint.


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Rakshaka wrote:

I wish Huge wasn't such a tricky spot to get into a set. I would almost always take two readily usable miniatures (like Elementals, Aboleth, Froghemoth) over one awesome gargantuan miniature (which as awesome as they are, rarely see play except maybe once an AP.)

I spoke briefly with Erik at Gen Con in regards to the Huge issue and the news wasn't good. He re-confirmed we shouldn't expect any encounter packs or sets (like Rise of the Runelords) sold with Huges.

He did say, and what you are suggesting, is that the best case scenario in getting huges is replacing the Gagantuan promo on the sporadic set with two huges.

I am ok with that, myself, as there are so many great huges out there we haven't been able to see yet. The elementals being first and foremost.


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Updated after Gen Con:

Xenophobia
Extra Hours
Niche Specialist
Family Tradition
Technophobe
Numerian Weapon Training
Niche Specialist
Mounted Tradition
WolfCon 8 GM Boon (Can choose Naga, Wayang or Kitsune)
Against the Consortium
Treasure Map
Niche Specialist
Prophetic Dream
Aspis Slayer
Ley Line Access
Soothsayer

Want:

PaizoCon 2015 GM Boon

I would be willing to trade multiple for the one boon.

I also have a large collection of Pathfinder Battle minis and would be willing to trade, as well.


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Going to repost mine from previous page:

Hobbun wrote:

Have:

Xenophobia
Extra Hours
Niche Specialist
Family Tradition
Technophobe
Numerian Weapon Training
Niche Specialist
Mounted Tradition
WolfCon 8 GM Boon (Can choose Naga, Wayang or Kitsune)

Want:

PaizoCon 2015 GM Boon

Would also be willing to trade any boons I pick up at Gen Con. REALLY looking for the PaizoCon 2015 GM Boon. If anyone can help me out, it would be much appreciated. :)


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BretI wrote:


Occultist has an indirect one.

It isn't a case of no longer being able to use it. It is a matter of there being significantly less ways to refill the Arcane Pool.

At the start everything looks alright. It is as you climb levels that things start falling apart.

Occultist 7 can use Summon Monster 4, using 4 points from their Arcane Spell Reserve. Assuming a 10 Charisma, their starting reserve for the day would be 3 + 7 = 10, but they only fill it to 3 + 7/2 = 6, missing 4 points when they start the day. At 7th level, their highest spell level is 3. Consuming one of their highest spell slots is not enough to fill the reserve. With the errata, they only get to do this a number of times equal to their Charisma Mod (min 1), so they need a 14 Charisma to be able to completely fill their reserve.

I really wish it had been something like 3 + Charisma Mod rather than Charisma Mod (min 1) since at least that way there would be a difference in this between an Arcanist with a 7 Charisma and a 12 Charisma.

Extra Reservoir might partially fix this if you interpret is as adding to both the maximum and the amount gained daily when spells are prepared.

Consume Magic Item used to be a way to fix this, but now it also can only be used a number of times equal to their Charisma Mod (min 1) which really hampers things.

I still have to digest exactly what this errata means for my character.

I just created an Arcanist myself. But have the archetype that allows me to specialize in a Wizards school. I believe I am ok with this change as my Charisma is relatively high (18).


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Have:

Xenophobia
Extra Hours
Niche Specialist
Family Tradition
Technophobe
Numerian Weapon Training
Niche Specialist
Mounted Tradition
WolfCon 8 GM Boon (Can choose Naga, Wayang or Kitsune)

Want:

PaizoCon 2015 GM Boon


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So what did the boon state, exactly? That you could choose a Campaign trait from the Giant Slayer's Handbook?

And what was the name of the boon? Or was "Paizocon 2015 GM Boon" the actual name?

Edit: found a description on the boon. Thanks for the heads up!


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Shoot, was afraid of that. There is a campaign trait in the book that would have been perfect for my character.

:(

Thanks.


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Are the Campaign traits in the Players Guide section of the Giant Slayer’s Handbook (pgs. 30-31) legal for play?

Under Additional Resources, it doesn’t address this section of the book at all. It does not say these traits are legal, but it doesn’t indicate they aren’t, either.


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Tier 3-7 sounds good to me! I will keep a look-out for it. Thanks.


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Mark Stratton wrote:
Stay tuned! I willl have an extra table in the morning I haven't scheduled yet!!!

A PFS or PACG table, Mark?


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Yes, that makes sense. This will be my second year at Scotty’s and really had a good time last year, so I hope it is an event that continues for quite some time.

Thanks for the quick response.


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Ok, thanks for the update, Mark.

Although what was the reasoning behind no PFS after 5 p.m? I just wonder if Scotty's is tiring/not being as open as it has in the past in regards to the PFS events.

I am grateful to them in allowing us to play there, but I hope it's not now because they feel they need to, but that they want us there. I hope we haven't overstayed our welcome.


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Ok, good. Because I really wanted to keep Aasimar.

Thank you.


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I have a 1st level Oracle Aasimar. He is legal, I gained his first experience point before the race was banned last Gen Con.

My question is, I would like to rebuild him into an Arcanist. Since I am already an Aasimar legally, can I keep him Aasimar when rebuilding him into an Arcanist?


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Has WizKids changed their replacement method? Between having to pay for shipping and not even guaranteeing you will receive a replacement mini of the one you sent it, I just never have bothered to send broken minis to WizKids.

Fortunately broken minis have been very few and far between for me.


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I finally opened up one of my (two) cases of Dungeons Deep. Didn’t have the chance yet as I’ve been re-organizing my miniatures (still have a long ways to go).

But I am actually very happy with the paint jobs of the set. Even the faces of the dwarves, which I was nervous about from what has been said, looked good. Not the best of the set by any means, but better than I was expecting.

As for the dressings, they were smaller than I expected, but then when thinking about it, they were correct on scale. All were great paint jobs, my favorite especially being the sarcophagus. I received one of each for all except the Idol, which I received two.

The only issue I had was one of the (medium) minis popped off the base. But nothing was broken, even the nubs were still at the bottom of the feet. A little super glue and it will be as good as new.


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Sounds like you have it covered!

One of my GMs will be attending as well, one who plans to go mythic in his campaign, and I really wanted to bring him over to the booth and show him the books. I’ve already told him about them and his interest is piqued.

Thanks for taking those extra steps in making sure you have copies at Gen Con. :)


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Jason Nelson wrote:

They pushed our ship date back by almost a month, so the books are now scheduled to arrive on July 23.

That's really cutting it close for Gen Con. If the date remains the same (23rd) you will have them available for the con? For not only just backers of the KS, but to purchase, as well?


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Well, whatever the process is. My point was what was on Paizo’s website isn’t necessarily ‘all’ of the copies of the Mythic books. He could go to LG’s website to see if there is more.

And case in point, I did check and the option to add ‘hardcover’ or ‘hardcover/PDF bundle’ is an option on their website to add to your cart.


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You may want to try Legendary Games website directly. The copies “Unavailable” here are just the ones Paizo had purchased to sell on their website. LG may not be sold out on their website.

Also, if you are going to Gen Con, LG will have a booth and I am sure you will be able to purchase copies there (as supplies last).

To Jason:

For the backers who commented under the update on the KS “We wish to pick up our copies at Gen Con”, do we need to bring anything proof-wise when picking our copies up at your booth, or just giving our name (with ID) and/or email is sufficient?


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Cleanthes wrote:
Love all 3, but especially the Dancing Girl. I'm surprised that one hasn't been covered in prepaints before! And the digital image looks great. Important to get a good paint job on that one's face, though....

Will have to echo Cleanthes on all aspects, the Dancing Girl is my favorite, and also that the face is extremely important to have a good paint job.


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FLite wrote:

no, 5 or 6 cannot pick.

But often players can swap a character to get into the tier desired. Very rarely you can wind up with a X.5 APL, which is the only time you can freely decide if you want to be X or X+1.

Ok, this is what I was thinking in you didn’t really have a choice anymore (although didn’t know about the being able to choose with X.5).


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
But from my understanding, you don’t have the choice to play up anymore, it is whatever the average comes out to be at the table.
Its pretty common to get an average in between levels and then get a choice, particularly with experienced character with binders full of characters swinging the vote.

Ok, I guess I will need to reread the PFSORGP rules, but I had thought the change was made within the last year or two that you don’t have the option to choose up or down, even if you fall in the middle with the average. There are specific prerequisites that decide whether you play up or down.

Like if you go with a 7 person table (which is still legal), it is automatically playing up.


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But from my understanding, you don’t have the choice to play up anymore, it is whatever the average comes out to be at the table.


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Nefreet wrote:

There are a couple tricks you can take advantage of to maximize your Day Job results as well, such as using the Crafter's Fortune spell (if you're of a class that can cast it), or building a Street Performer Bard (which doubles your Day Job check result).

Wow, too bad that type of bonus is only accessible by being a Bard.

Nefreet wrote:
There is the "Prosperity" Convention Boon that increases the max cap of your Day Job, to I believe 300gp (which could be doubled to 600gp if you were the aforementioned Bard).

I have this boon and it is very nice.


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Michael Dean wrote:

I had to miss last year due to a wedding, but I'm coming this year. So, if I'm hearing correctly, to even get in the booth area to look at merchandise, you have to stand in line that winds outside the exhibit room?

In '12 and '13, I remember big lines for the cash register but you could still look at stuff.

Yes, that is correct, there is a line to get into the booth now as well.

I mean it isn't terribly long, but if you are on a time schedule for an event, or you only want to peruse the wares or talk to one of the Paizo staff, it can be a factor in deciding whether you want to, or can, wait.


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labmonkey wrote:
Personally I don't mind if the Tavern set has a large number of non-combatants. I'm hoping for at least one barkeep, a couple tavern wenches, a bard, a cook, a bouncer, a mysterious old man (to give out quests of course), a stableboy, some town watch, a pickpocket, a thug (to start brawls)...I wouldn't even be adverse to off-duty townpeoples like butchers, bakers, merchants etc.

Would love to see all of those in this set. I know a few here that post would not be happy, but in our home campaigns we definitely would put all the minis listed here to use more than once.

I would actually love to see an actual horse mini on it’s own. There have been a couple shown with characters ‘on’ them, but I wouldn’t have a problem with just horse on it’s own, not in a combat pose, either.

Don’t know how many times we’ve had encounters where caravans are stopped and the horses are hooked up and even work in as being cover.


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Ah yes, I think I know the booth you are talking about. If you are facing the Paizo booth from the main hallway, it is off to the left?

I bought quite a few Star Wars minis in those bins some years back.

I was just wondering if you had any favorites (booths) to shop for single minis, as I may stop there, myself. :)

I know the dressing pieces from Dungeons Deep will probably be a hot commodity, especially the Treasure Chest and Burning Brazier. I really think those shouldn’t have been rare, but uncommon.

I just wish the inventory for them would get straightened out here on this website so they can be put up.


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Jeff,

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond. I know you are extremely busy and to respond to an issue only a few people (at least on this forum) have brought up, means a lot.

As I said before, in a sense it’s a good issue you have as it leads to being a very active and popular booth, which I am sure has led to more sales, and that’s always a good thing.

Paizo has always been a very personable company (in evidence of you posting here), but that is one of the things I am little frustrated about with the sectioned-off booth as it makes the area less-personable. And I don’t mean the staff is any less personable or friendly, but it makes them less accessible.

Over the years at Gen Con I would make multiple visits to your booth throughout the con if only with the intention to talk to very friendly staff or to purchase something. Although usually even when going with the intention of only talking to someone, I would always find myself looking once again at your wares and normally picking up yet another purchase(s).

But now with the line outside, it makes it less likely for me to make those impulse visits (and purchases) as I have to wait through the line just to get into the booth. And where I understand why, it doesn’t prevent it from being somewhat disappointing.

And to Scribbling Rambler, maybe you were lucky on the times when you visited the booth, but it was “busy” pretty much all the times I visited, and I tried at various points of the day when I had the time to do so.

I will say I am more lucky than most as I do have early exhibit hall access, so I will be able stop at Paizo’s booth first without worry about the line, and I will make my planned purchases/pick up subscriptions and talk to anyone I am able to. But the line will cut down (or out) my impulse visits.


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Brell,

Do you already have a good idea where you plan to shop for singles? I know Paizo’s booth doesn’t carry singles (just boosters). I know of Troll and Toad, are there other booths you know of? I may peruse some of them myself.

As for how many in an encounter, the Organization (under the Bestiary) says they can be solitary, in a pair or a colonnade (6-11).


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To DM_Blake,

I'm sorry for your frustration, but I have to wonder why the players can't understand it's not a transportation/doorway spell.

Even when you explain to them that the other end opens in another dimension (and not through a floor, boat, etc) they are still adamant?


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Played this last Sunday and had a lot of fun. Came a hairsbreadth away from dying. If a party member’s familiar didn’t heal me, I probably wouldn’t have stabilized.

Also, without giving anything away, I will just say the rewards are quite nice for this scenario.


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That's really disappointing to hear, especially as it sounds like that is what you are already planning for future Gen Cons as well and it appears you won't be looking into other options.

Thanks for the response, Jeff.


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I have been attending Gen Con for many years and the Paizo booth has been one of the few booths I've made multiple visits (and purchases) over the years.

But I was a bit distressed last year that it became very difficult to gain access to the booth, that a line needed to be formed 'outside' of the exhibit hall and it was never a short line to get in.

Now in a sense it is nice to see that Paizo has gotten to be so popular where it may be necessary, but also frustrating as I wasn't able to visit the booth for that short amount of time I sometimes had between events.

Does Paizo have a larger booth this year where it will be possible to just walk into the booth openly like prior years, or will there be a line done again like last year?


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The minis look great, all ones I will be using. Can never get enough town guards and one of our campaigns the arch-nemesis is an Orc Lord, so always need new types of orcs.

I'm looking forward to getting a good look at the case incentive.


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Cat-thulhu wrote:

Hobbun the chest is NOT on a base, it's a free mini. Take a look on ebay or even here on the singles (not available) but it appears to be a separate piece.

Oh, ok. That's good then. All the pictures I have seen online for the chest have shown it's on a base. And I thought I remember one of the Paizo employees mentioning earlier on that the chest has a base, but I am glad it doesn't. Not that it would have been a huge deal if it did, but it does make a lot more sense that it doesn't.

But really glad you are super happy with the set. Really looking forward to busting mine open and seeing what I got. :)


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Kalindlara wrote:
I'm having a lot of trouble saving enough for my one case - I'm really hoping that this doesn't happen to me.

Do you have a subscription? If so, the price is actually very reasonable now. Not including shipping, my case came out to around $280 ($290 with case incentive), which is the cheapest I’ve seen it online.


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Well, at least you received a bunch of dwarves, beetles, gnolls and bats. I can see any of those as a large contingent being used at once.

It’s too bad you didn’t get at least one chest. I am curious to hear what you thought of it, seeing it in person, on a base. I always thought it was a bit odd to have it attached to a base, I think it would look better if it was just by itself, like most of the rest of the dressings (besides the cauldron) are.

I know why they did so, as it doubles for the ‘hidden’ Mimic. But then you aren’t supposed to know it’s a Mimic when it’s in chest form. :)


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Cat-thulhu, that’s a bummer.

An earlier set (I think it was Shattered Star) I had received a duplicate brick in the case. But I had gotten two cases of this set so I ended up getting a full set (and more), so I wasn’t worried about it. And the second case gave me a full set in it’s own.

However, three duplicates, I can understand how that can be really disappointing. I am thinking it’s an anomaly as normally they (WizKids) are usually quite good at giving us a full set with one case.

You mentioned you were only short a few on the minis you were really keen for, but how many minis are you short in having a full set?


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I’m going to have to say it’s a little sad on how little activity this thread gets now, even with everyone receiving their Dungeons Deep product.

I remember with the older sets of the PFB line, there would be many people posting what they received for their case, or just post their impressions on the miniatures. Where we have had some impressions, not all that much. I even remember a thread (for each set) dedicated to what each person received in their case(s).

Maybe it’s because it’s a little early yet on people receiving their minis and we will get more activity. However, if not, then yes, it’s a little sad that the activity (interest?) for PFB has waned.


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CorallineAlgae wrote:
FattyLumpkin wrote:
I like it but with a map on only one side I will pass.

Same here. I won't be buying any one sided flip maps.

They aren't making these better because they don't want to upset people who bought the one sided map? Where's the progress in that? If Paizo is going to remake something, then make it better. That's like saying they won't correct errata in their books because the first print owners would be offended. It's a backwards mentality. Paizo should ALWAYS look for ways to up their game. That's how they'll keep customers loyal.

That’s a completely inaccurate comparison with the errata. With errata, the original is a ‘mistake’ and is now being corrected. With the flip-mats, the original is just fine and nothing needs to be corrected.

The reprint is just that, a reprint. And yes, not wanting to offend original buyers is a legitimate action. Why should they have to buy the new flip-mat to get the other building if this is a ‘re-print’ of the original? If that happens, then it is no longer a re-print but a new flip-mat.

If you don’t feel the tavern side is something you don’t use, that’s fine, I agree with you in not buying the flip-mat. But don’t accuse Paizo of being a ‘non-progress’ company because they don’t change the flip-mat to buildings on both sides. I think if you asked most here they would agree Paizo truly has progressed as a company and continues to do so.Also, Paizo didn’t have to reprint any of these flip-mats. This is something they are doing because many customers have asked to get access to some of the more popular maps that are now out of print. So in giving the customers what they asked for, wouldn’t you consider that progress?

And this comes from somebody who does NOT have the original flip-mat.

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