Pathfinder Battles Preview: Final Reveals!

Seltiyel looks even better now that we get a decent shot of him. Really impressive!

The Giant Wasp is a surprise, but a welcome one. Whenever this sort of figure has been released, I have never been able to collect more than two or three. Standard monsters are an always welcome addition.

But having said that, there were many pirates that were left out that could have been very cool additions. I understand the reasoning: each set has to be able to appeal to as wide a group as possible for the line to be viable. But that doesn't diminish the disapointment much.

Wazzzpintator.... Terrorize!

I'm looking forward to cracking open my own case! The wasp is a great finish to a great set. I love its pose.

Erik, since you opened a set already, do you have any comments about the packaging?

Yeah whats the artwork on these boosters look like? also giant wasp? that's the scariest concept i've ever thought about in my entire life... O_O

The packaging worked great to keep the mins safe. I had zero broken minis in the case (despite intentionally choosing one that had been mauled by a forklift). I did manage to break two of them because I got too excited while popping them out of their protective plastic, but both were clean breaks I fixed with superglue right away, and again, it was my fault for not being more careful.

There's a fair amount of plastic and cardboard, as usual, but I managed to stop feeling bad about that the moment I tossed it all into the recycling.

Sooo...

Would it be safe to say the Giant Wasp is about the same size as one of those incredibly big Japanese Wasps?

Cause that would be neat ;-)

I've been needing a better magus mini....

Nice minis! The Giant Wasp is a nice upgrade on the WotC Hellwasp, too, though it looks like maybe they'll complement each other fairly well, especially since the Hellwasp was only a medium.

What's the specific day in August when these are supposed to hit the shelves? I didn't notice the specific date.

When can we begin to see the Legends of Golarion previews? Maybe 2 weeks?

The set releases the first day of Gen Con, August 15th.

Legends of Golarion previews begin in earnest in two weeks, yes.

The magus looks great. I especially love the bro-fist action, perfect after he utterly destroys an enemy in one round (cuz that is what one of my players does regularly).

The shark is solid, and both of them together should make for fun times ahead... although maybe not for my players.

As for the wasp, that was a surprise. But a good surprise. It is something that works for random encounters, as part of a jungle/forest environment, and even potentially for summoned monsters. A good choice to round things out Erik.

Erik, we've still got that "own the art, get the mini" arrangement in place right? 'Cause... you know.

All in all an exceptionally nice set and one that I certainly won't mind parting with my hard earned money to get. Even knowing they were in the set I am glad to see the shark in a clearer pic - it is so good to finally have sharks in plastic, and two to boot. Pic wise, I think I prefer this hammerhead to the great white. As for Seltyiel, he looks amazing and I can see several players vying to use him as their PC. The wasp is awesome! I have a few of the mage knight wasp like creature I re-based but now I can have me some genuine, black and yellow wasps. Erik (and wizkids?) I think you have nailed the rarities (in print) and this represents the best set yet (until the next sets anyway - very excited to see the next two). Hats off.

Yep, quite a lovely set all-in-all! Really looking forward to it.

I haven't really been following or supporting this paizo product line, I have to say though - the giant wasp has got me hooked. For whatever reason - giant wasp minis are just not out there (besides buying the rubber bug minis from the 99 cent store). I've searched pretty much everywhere online and was at the point of commissioning my own mold.

I may need to pick up several of these boxes and multiple copies of this mini when they become available for my Gamma World game. Solid basic creature, good work!

Nice wrap up on this set. The Wasp is a keeper for sure. I hope I get more than one.

As for the hammerhead, I am not going to do a water adventure for a while but this figure just needs to see the table so I think I am going to spec up some "Air Sharks" just so I can bring it our sooner. LOL

I just wish we could get some huge-sized (or gargantuan-sized) dragons (especially Metallics, Imperials, and Primals).

Love the shark, I can use it.
Love the wasp, I need at least a half dozen.

Seltiyel, eh, it's an open shirted elf with a sword. Don't get me wrong, he's well done and the collector in me will get one for completeness sake, but he's just not that likely to see use in my games. Just please tell me that Legends of Golarion has a couple of PC-suitable Dwarfs in it, as well as some halflings/gnomes that aren't bardic looking?

I could use Seltiyel now for a player's Eldritch Knight cohort. He looks cool.

The Hammerhead is welcome. I have some of Safari, Ltd.'s Toob Sharks, but none are a Hammerhead. Plus having the Sharks on a clear post and base is better for gameplay. So these are welcome.

The Wasp is a surprise. He too will be a welcome addition.

This set has sealed it for us, Skull & Shackles will be the next AP we run.

Thanks to Wizkids, but importantly to you Erik for your leadership in making this happen.

Seltiyel is a must-have, awesome mini!

Ruyan.

Seltiyel is a must-have, awesome mini!

Ruyan.

Why? I looked at it again, and it still just looks like an elf who has never seen the sun done up as an '80's rocker with a sword. What am I missing that makes this mini so must have cool?

Seltiyel is a must-have, awesome mini!

Ruyan.

+1

RuyanVe wrote:

Seltiyel is a must-have, awesome mini!

Why? I looked at it again, and it still just looks like an elf who has never seen the sun done up as an '80's rocker with a sword. What am I missing that makes this mini so must have cool?

What you are missing is that not everyone thinks like you do. Some people like that he looks like a fantasy version of Billy Idol. Snear while casting spell....

You are not wrong and they are not wrong. This is a subjective call and thus both points of view are "right" for the person looking at the figure.

As they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Leo_Negri wrote:

RuyanVe wrote:

Seltiyel is a must-have, awesome mini!

Why? I looked at it again, and it still just looks like an elf who has never seen the sun done up as an '80's rocker with a sword. What am I missing that makes this mini so must have cool?

What you are missing is that not everyone thinks like you do. Some people like that he looks like a fantasy version of Billy Idol. Snear while casting spell....

You are not wrong and they are not wrong. This is a subjective call and thus both points of view are "right" for the person looking at the figure.

As they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

It may or may not be a cool figure, but it (and the Gunslinger iconic previewed for this set earlier) have nothing to do with the AP the figures are intended to support. Those two "slots" could have been used to give us Plugg, Scourge, the hobgoblin pirate captain, a Reefclaw, Cut-Throat Grok, or any of a number of other pieces that are memorable encounters or who re-appear through the course of the AP. I realize there are only so many slots available and some figures just won't make the cut regardless, but with that being the case it seems to me inclusion of iconics actually works against the desirability of the set rather than enhancing it.

It may or may not be a cool figure, but it (and the Gunslinger iconic previewed for this set earlier) have nothing to do with the AP the figures are intended to support.

Thats only half true, each AP is typically illustrated with four of the iconics. In the case of Skull and Shackles they seemed to put everyone one in, but predominantly, it was Valeros, Alahazra, Seltyiel and Merisiel. So Setyiel 'belongs' in this set from that perspective. Lirianne on the other hand wasn't, but I think the art was probably ordered for S&S before Ultimate Combat, and so while she would have been a good fit, probably was just poor timing.

Fitzwalrus wrote:

It may or may not be a cool figure, but it (and the Gunslinger iconic previewed for this set earlier) have nothing to do with the AP the figures are intended to support.

Thats only half true, each AP is typically illustrated with four of the iconics. In the case of Skull and Shackles they seemed to put everyone one in, but predominantly, it was Valeros, Alahazra, Seltyiel and Merisiel. So Setyiel 'belongs' in this set from that perspective. Lirianne on the other hand wasn't, but I think the art was probably ordered for S&S before Ultimate Combat, and so while she would have been a good fit, probably was just poor timing.

She actually appears in the last book, in artwork.

Man i love me dem sweet sweet iconics. Yall can hate all ya want, but honestly they were a necessary addition to the set in my opinion. (remember: every great adventure needs some good pcs, so wizkids/paizo needs to slide them in where they can.) Besides, prior to this set, there were no good gunslinger prepainted minis, so Lirianne fills an important vacancy in the minis world, and while, yes, there are plenty of substitutes for magus characters, i'm sure magus players will enjoy having a specific class mini.

Man i love me dem sweet sweet iconics. Yall can hate all ya want, but honestly they were a necessary addition to the set in my opinion. (remember: every great adventure needs some good pcs, so wizkids/paizo needs to slide them in where they can.) Besides, prior to this set, there were no good gunslinger prepainted minis, so Lirianne fills an important vacancy in the minis world, and while, yes, there are plenty of substitutes for magus characters, i'm sure magus players will enjoy having a specific class mini.

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

It may or may not be a cool figure, but it (and the Gunslinger iconic previewed for this set earlier) have nothing to do with the AP the figures are intended to support. Those two "slots" could have been used to give us Plugg, Scourge, the hobgoblin pirate captain, a Reefclaw, Cut-Throat Grok, or any of a number of other pieces that are memorable encounters or who re-appear through the course of the AP. I realize there are only so many slots available and some figures just won't make the cut regardless, but with that being the case it seems to me inclusion of iconics actually works against the desirability of the set rather than enhancing it.

That may very well be. I feel sorry that other figures didn't make it. In fact I bet we could say that there were figures from every AP set so far that didn't make it but would have been nice to have.

In fact I don't envy Paizo staff at all having to narrow down the list like they have to. I am sure they have hard choices when they create these lists for the sets. I bet every set had dozens more figures that would have been fun to include.

All we can do is hope some of those show up later down the road. :-)

Marcus Moroe wrote:

Man i love me dem sweet sweet iconics. Yall can hate all ya want, but honestly they were a necessary addition to the set in my opinion. (remember: every great adventure needs some good pcs, so wizkids/paizo needs to slide them in where they can.) Besides, prior to this set, there were no good gunslinger prepainted minis, so Lirianne fills an important vacancy in the minis world, and while, yes, there are plenty of substitutes for magus characters, i'm sure magus players will enjoy having a specific class mini.

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

Alright fair enough. Actually Sajan and Lini would've been the logical next steps to complete the core iconics. Lini would've been nice to fill the role of wild gnomes and gnome druids, and Sajan would have filled the monk void.

Leo_Negri wrote:

Marcus Moroe wrote:

Man i love me dem sweet sweet iconics. Yall can hate all ya want, but honestly they were a necessary addition to the set in my opinion. (remember: every great adventure needs some good pcs, so wizkids/paizo needs to slide them in where they can.) Besides, prior to this set, there were no good gunslinger prepainted minis, so Lirianne fills an important vacancy in the minis world, and while, yes, there are plenty of substitutes for magus characters, i'm sure magus players will enjoy having a specific class mini.

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

Alright fair enough. Actually Sajan and Lini would've been the logical next steps to complete the core iconics. Lini would've been nice to fill the role of wild gnomes and gnome druids, and Sajan would have filled the monk void.

The concern with doing Lini is that you'd want to do Droogami at the same time, which would involve using up another mini in a themed set with an Iconic mini.

Legends of Golarion may well have more capacity to devote to iconics allowing them to at least fill out the core Iconics.

Galnörag wrote:

Fitzwalrus wrote:

It may or may not be a cool figure, but it (and the Gunslinger iconic previewed for this set earlier) have nothing to do with the AP the figures are intended to support.

Thats only half true, each AP is typically illustrated with four of the iconics. In the case of Skull and Shackles they seemed to put everyone one in, but predominantly, it was Valeros, Alahazra, Seltyiel and Merisiel. So Setyiel 'belongs' in this set from that perspective. Lirianne on the other hand wasn't, but I think the art was probably ordered for S&S before Ultimate Combat, and so while she would have been a good fit, probably was just poor timing.

She actually appears in the last book, in artwork.

Unfortunately, Gunslingers will always get complaints regardless of when their released. I'm just happy Lirianne is coming out at all, or anytime soon. I assumed all the "gunslinger hate" would push her release way back.
Seltyiel is kind of a male Seoni in my eyes, so I'm not sure how much play he will get at my table. I still like the figure though.

I scanned every piece of art in all 6 books before I posted, because the AP was different from the others I had seen, and had a lot more cameo's from the other iconics, and I came up with no Gunslinger. So I just went back and looked at book 6 and there she on page 4, maybe? She certainly doesn't look like herself, and with the wheel in front of her gear you can't be 100% certain, but going on the hat, armor and half-elfness you just have to assume she is herself.

I don't think that qualifies her for the set as she is more of a cameo iconic then a AP iconic, but she does belong in a set, and even though I am a detractor of the class and gunpowder in general, I acknowledge she is an iconic, and needs to go up on my shelf of iconics eventually.

In_digo wrote:

Galnörag wrote:

Thats only half true, each AP is typically illustrated with four of the iconics. In the case of Skull and Shackles they seemed to put everyone one in, but predominantly, it was Valeros, Alahazra, Seltyiel and Merisiel. So Setyiel 'belongs' in this set from that perspective. Lirianne on the other hand wasn't, but I think the art was probably ordered for S&S before Ultimate Combat, and so while she would have been a good fit, probably was just poor timing.

She actually appears in the last book, in artwork.

Unfortunately, Gunslingers will always get complaints regardless of when their released. I'm just happy Lirianne is coming out at all, or anytime soon. I assumed all the "gunslinger hate" would push her release way back.
Seltyiel is kind of a male Seoni in my eyes, so I'm not sure how much play he will get at my table. I still like the figure though.

I scanned every piece of art in all 6 books before I posted, because the AP was different from the others I had seen, and had a lot more cameo's from the other iconics, and I came up with no Gunslinger. So I just went back and looked at book 6 and there she on page 4, maybe? She certainly doesn't look like herself, and with the wheel in front of her gear you can't be 100% certain, but going on the hat, armor and half-elfness you just have to assume she is herself.

I don't think that qualifies her for the set as she is more of a cameo iconic then a AP iconic, but she does belong in a set, and even though I am a detractor of the class and gunpowder in general, I acknowledge she is an iconic, and needs to go up on my shelf of iconics eventually.

I guess that depends on what your perception of 'qualifying' is. If it's based on the idea that she needs to be constantly illustrated into the AP, then I can see where you're coming from.

The concern with doing Lini is that you'd want to do Droogami at the same time, which would involve using up another mini in a themed set with an Iconic mini.

Legends of Golarion may well have more capacity to devote to iconics allowing them to at least fill out the core Iconics.

With LoG being a non-themed set, by my "guestimation" I suspect Lini and Droogami will make an appearance in LoG. (And so far all my guestimates have been right :)

Love the shark, I can use it.

Love the wasp, I need at least a half dozen.

Seltiyel, eh, it's an open shirted elf with a sword. Don't get me wrong, he's well done and the collector in me will get one for completeness sake, but he's just not that likely to see use in my games. Just please tell me that Legends of Golarion has a couple of PC-suitable Dwarfs in it, as well as some halflings/gnomes that aren't bardic looking?

Legends has exactly none of that stuff in it, I'm afraid. It does contain Lini, who is a gnome druid, but overall it's pretty low on PC types who are not also Eagle Knights, Hellknights, etc. And there aren't very many shorties in the set.

You will likely be pleased to know that I am currently gathering all of our good dwarf and gnome PC art, however, as I feel these races have been under represented in the line so far and I'd like to do something about it as soon as I can.

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

Legends of Golarion was originally intended to come out _before_ Skull & Shackles, so had my original plan happened as conceived, you'd have received two of your listed choices prior to Seltiyel and Lirianne.

Incidentally, I included Lirianne in this set because I think her aesthetic fits with the pirate theme, and the set already has some gunslingers in it so people bound to freak out about that would have already gotten in out of their system. :)

Leo_Negri wrote:

Love the shark, I can use it.

Love the wasp, I need at least a half dozen.

Seltiyel, eh, it's an open shirted elf with a sword. Don't get me wrong, he's well done and the collector in me will get one for completeness sake, but he's just not that likely to see use in my games. Just please tell me that Legends of Golarion has a couple of PC-suitable Dwarfs in it, as well as some halflings/gnomes that aren't bardic looking?

Legends has exactly none of that stuff in it, I'm afraid. It does contain Lini, who is a gnome druid, but overall it's pretty low on PC types who are not also Eagle Knights, Hellknights, etc. And there aren't very many shorties in the set.

You will likely be pleased to know that I am currently gathering all of our good dwarf and gnome PC art, however, as I feel these races have been under represented in the line so far and I'd like to do something about it as soon as I can.

Thank you Erik. I know you read all the comments, but it's nice to know the "little people" will have some representation in the pipeline. My current gaming group is almost all dwarfs and gnomes (and my half-orc gunslinger, but the half-orc pirate in this set is perfect for him, so I can finally stop using a re-based Patchwork from Mage Knight).

Leo_Negri wrote:

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

Legends of Golarion was originally intended to come out _before_ Skull & Shackles, so had my original plan happened as conceived, you'd have received two of your listed choices prior to Seltiyel and Lirianne.

Incidentally, I included Lirianne in this set because I think her aesthetic fits with the pirate theme, and the set already has some gunslingers in it so people bound to freak out about that would have already gotten in out of their system. :)

Don't suppose you'd care to enlighten us as to which two they are in the 1st preview of Legends in 2 weeks?

OOOOHHHH S$#$! Dude its totally iconic druid and monk! Think about it! they gotta finish the core set first right? Awww yeah I knew it! Hey Eric, if my guess is right, can those two be in the next preview? :)

I'm happy to have Lirianne, and I'll get Seltiyel for my 'iconics set' but yeah, as a PFS GM, I'd like to have the legal pregen iconics first, so I can show new players the PC and the matching mini. :-)

I'll see what I can do. I'm on vacation until Wednesday, so trying to think about work as little as possible.

Of course that means trawling the paizo.com boards several times a day... ;)

Yeah! You're the man Erik Mona!

OOOOHHHH S#%*! Dude its totally iconic druid and monk! Think about it! they gotta finish the core set first right? Awww yeah I knew it! Hey Eric, if my guess is right, can those two be in the next preview? :)

Putting in Lini & Balthazar (with AC & Eidolon) would solve the problem of using 2 slots each for iconics in themed sets...

And add 2 gnomes...

mmmmm but Sajan! :(( He's the fastest fist in the west!

Rarities updated on plasitcrypt.com - here's the url if you are interested:
plasticrypt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4900&st=0&sk=t&sd =a&start=420

There are on pg 29 & 30 of the thread on PF Battles, Skull & Shackles.

Rarities updated on plasitcrypt.com - here's the url if you are interested:

plasticrypt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4900&st=0&sk=t&sd =a&start=420

There are on pg 29 & 30 of the thread on PF Battles, Skull & Shackles.

Thanks YB. I have updated Pathfinderminis.com accordingly.

KERDAK BONEFIST is an uncommon, not rar Kor, if you wanna update that too.

(Erik commented to that effect on plasticrypt.)

http://plasticrypt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4900&st=0&sk=t &sd=a&start=420

"You're right. Both of those figures are uncommons.

I'm willing to bet that I misidentified one uncommon figure as rare in the blogs or something, because I really do think the ratios are the same.

Looking at the list on Pathfinderminis.com, I note the following issues:

Seaweed Siren is rare.

Kerdak Bonefist is uncommon (not rare, I suspect this is the problem).

Sea Troll is uncommon.

"Pirate" is actually called "Pirate Smuggler," and is common."

Kor,

Thanks for your galleries for all of the Pathfinder minis. It is so useful and well formatted.

Marcus Moroe wrote:

Man i love me dem sweet sweet iconics. Yall can hate all ya want, but honestly they were a necessary addition to the set in my opinion. (remember: every great adventure needs some good pcs, so wizkids/paizo needs to slide them in where they can.) Besides, prior to this set, there were no good gunslinger prepainted minis, so Lirianne fills an important vacancy in the minis world, and while, yes, there are plenty of substitutes for magus characters, i'm sure magus players will enjoy having a specific class mini.

I don't hate Seltiyel, I just didn't see what the big deal about him was. There are still several other Iconics I'd have rather seen ahead of him (Lini, Sajan, Imrijka, Alain, The Summoner, Ninja, Witch, and Samurai whose names I can never remember and they are all ahead of Seltiyel and the Alchemist on my priorities list) is all.

Which again goes back to taste. Out of all iconics, Seltyiel is easily my favorite looking. Most of my characters in games, if I can make it, have white hair (and usually long-ish). I also dig more shirtless looks but more like this rather than some Barbarian dude in a loincloth.

All because of taste.

Kor,

Thanks for your galleries for all of the Pathfinder minis. It is so useful and well formatted.

Thanks YB. It's been fun trying to learn how to format the site so that it is browser friendly for all browsers.