Some assistance understanding panache


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I'm playing a Bard planning to MC into swashbuckler. I'm a ranged support Bard and I'm just wondering which style would be ideal. I am currently thinking Wit. So how does it work, whenever I use the Bon Mot ability I gain panache?


For remaster (PC1, PC2):

Swashbuckler Dedication (PC2, p182) -- lets you choose a swashbuckler's style, gives you the Panache class feature, and applies Bravado to Tumble Through and any actions indicated for that style.

Wit style (PC2, p161) -- gives you Bon Mot and applies the Bravado trait to it.

Bravado trait ( PC2, p160) indicates that you gain panache by performing actions that have that trait, in addition to potentially other times if you perform a particularly daring action at GM discretion.

For legacy (CRB + APG):

There is a key difference: in legacy, you need to succeed at the Bon Mot in order to gain panache from it (APG, p85).


Ohh so just merely attempting the bon Mot I gain panache? Also which style would you recommend for my kind of Bard.

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The Total Package wrote:
Ohh so just merely attempting the bon Mot I gain panache? Also which style would you recommend for my kind of Bard.

Then you need to tell us what your Bard does.

You said range support, right?
Well, that immediately eliminates Fencer, Gymnast, and Rascal as all three require using a melee action to gain Panache.

Does your Bard have high performance? Then pick Battledancer, which gives you Panache when using Perform.
Is your Bard Intimidating? Then pick Braggard, which will give you panache when Demoralizing enemies.
Your Bard both Diplomatic and have Bon Mot? Then Wit it is. Because MCing into Swashbuckler won't give you any skill feats associated with the chosen style.

Lastly, if you're mainly planning on supporting, what's the rest of your part like?
Do they have Spells or abilities that force Will saves? Then Wit and its Bon Mot will be extra useful.
Or would they benefit more from having their foes frightened or fascinated?


He's ranged yes, yes a high performance, he also has a high diplomacy. The rest of the party is mostly melee with one other ranged archer. Now when you say Battle dancers Perform, is Perform different from Performance? Oh and I don't demoralize at all.

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The main question is: What do you want to do with Panache?
As the Swashbuckler archetype is currently worded, you get nothing from Panache except the things you can get with archetype class feats later, mainly "basic finisher" and "swashbucklers speed", both not very alluring for a Bard.


Oh, ya neither one of those does anything. So I guess it's kind of useless. At level 20 if I took Wit and Derring-Do could I use panache for Bon Mot and roll twice and take the better result? Also if you MC into Swashbuckler and go Wit do you get Bon Mot for free?


The Total Package wrote:
Oh, ya neither one of those does anything. So I guess it's kind of useless. At level 20 if I took Wit and Derring-Do could I use panache for Bon Mot and roll twice and take the better result?

You would roll twice as long as you have panache before you do the test, yes.

Which usually means from the second bon-mot of the battle and afterwards (since on the 1st bon-mot you'll get the panache, and then on the 2nd you'll already have it).

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The Total Package wrote:
Also if you MC into Swashbuckler and go Wit do you get Bon Mot for free?

No, you get only the things listed in the dedication.


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The Total Package wrote:
Ohh so just merely attempting the bon Mot I gain panache?

Not quite.

Bravado wrote:
If you succeed at the check on a bravado action, you gain panache, and if you fail (but not critically fail) the check, you gain panache but only until the end of your next turn.

If you attempt and crit fail you get nothing.

If you attempt and fail you get panache, but only temporarily - until the end of your next turn (which is usually good enough).

If you attempt and succeed you get panache permanently until you spend it for something (a finisher is the only thing I can think of) or until the end of the battle.

Legacy version of Panache didn't have the temporary panache option on fail. You had to succeed at the check to get panache at all.

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