Exemplar and Ikons question

[eachtoxicwolf]

Hi all. I'm currently looking at the exemplar class and wondering whether I need to select 3 seperate ikons, or if I can use the same ikon for several things. For example, stacking barrow's edge ikon and gleaming blade.

[shroudb]

Ikons are items (or body parts).

So you need to select 3 items/body parts.

Quote:

Ikons are items or bodily

features intrinsically linked to you—sacred vessels
forged from your divinity that are capable of conducting
its power. Select three ikons from the list

[Finoan]

If the idea is that the same weapon is both the Barrow's Edge Ikon and the Gleaming Blade Ikon so that when you Spark Transcendence for one of them then the Immanence moves to the other Ikon of the same weapon - and since it is the same weapon that is both Ikons then the Immanence is still in both Ikons at the same time ... then you can Spark Transcendence of the same Ikon repeatedly without needing to Shift Immanence...

Then, no.

[eachtoxicwolf]

shroudb wrote:

Ikons are items (or body parts).

So you need to select 3 items/body parts.

Quote:

Ikons are items or bodily

features intrinsically linked to you—sacred vessels
forged from your divinity that are capable of conducting
its power. Select three ikons from the list

Makes sense

[eachtoxicwolf]

Finoan wrote:

If the idea is that the same weapon is both the Barrow's Edge Ikon and the Gleaming Blade Ikon so that when you Spark Transcendence for one of them then the Immanence moves to the other Ikon of the same weapon - and since it is the same weapon that is both Ikons then the Immanence is still in both Ikons at the same time ... then you can Spark Transcendence of the same Ikon repeatedly without needing to Shift Immanence...

Then, no.

The idea isn't for Sparking Transcendence. I'm trying to find out if the Immenance stacks

[Finoan]

The cautious ruling would be that two weapon Ikons could only be in two different weapon items.

I could see GMs being a bit more permissive that the same item could hold multiple Ikons - separately. They would still be separate Ikons. Meaning that they would be powered by the Spark separately.

When the Spark isn't powering an Ikon, its Immanence is inactive.

[PossibleCabbage]

I don't think there's a problem with a physical object being two ikons at once, but you can still only have one immanence at a time. You could just pick three body ikons, but your spark would only be in one of them at a time.

So if you took both gleaming blade and barrow's edge, if you had your spark in gleaming blade you would have that immanence and if you transcended you could switch your spark to Barrow's edge (to have zero downtime on your weapon immanence, for e.g.).

It's probably better to keep your spark in a weapon ikon during your turn, then move it to a defensive/buffing ikon when it's not your turn, then move it back on your turn. Like Barrow's Edge into Scar of the Survivor and Back is a lot of self-healing in two turns; Or Unfailing Bow into Gaze Sharp as Steel and back would work well.

[eachtoxicwolf]

Reasonable. I think the wording needs cleaning up ever so slightly to clarify whether item ikons can hold multiple ikons.
Based on how the body ikons work, my interpretation is that the body can hold multiple ikons. Depending on how Rules As Intended were designed, items could hold multiple ikons.
Maybe some phrasing like "item ikons may not share an item" would work. Or "Multiple ikons may be put in the same item but only one may be activated at a time"

[Tactical Drongo]

I think it does not matter of multiple Icons are in the same item/body part as long as it fullfills the requirements

but I am reasonably sure they will never have immanence stack

[Finoan]

Just from reading Shift Immanence from Pathbuilder I am seeing the following:

Quote:

That ikon ... is empowered in a way that matches your growing divinity, granting the ikon the divine trait and granting you that ikon's immanence effects for as long as your divine spark is empowering it. Your spark is indivisible, so it can empower only one ikon at a time.

So it seems pretty iron-clad that you can only have one Immanence effect active at once.

Even if it is allowed to put two or more ikons into the same item, you could only power one ikon in there at a time.

[eachtoxicwolf]

Finoan wrote:

Just from reading Shift Immanence from Pathbuilder I am seeing the following:

Quote:

That ikon ... is empowered in a way that matches your growing divinity, granting the ikon the divine trait and granting you that ikon's immanence effects for as long as your divine spark is empowering it. Your spark is indivisible, so it can empower only one ikon at a time.

So it seems pretty iron-clad that you can only have one Immanence effect active at once.

Even if it is allowed to put two or more ikons into the same item, you could only power one ikon in there at a time.

This absolutely makes sense.

I had a reread of the rules and ikons. If we allow that you can stack "Skin Hard as Horn" on skin and "Scar of the Survivor" on skin level scars, this would imply you can stack ikons into the same item.

[Ravingdork]

My fist is a different body part than my foot.

The ruby on the pommel of my sword is not my sword.

:P