Player Core 2 Sneak Peaks

[mcrn_gyoza]

Bluemagetim wrote:

But you still get at least one round with flurry per combat.

The round you need to do some class gimik for one action and move in for another> use it with that last action.
I doubt it wont be in any builds anymore, it just wont be in every build anymore.

I'd be willing to bet Monk archetype will be now used as often as Magus archetype.

ie. not at all.

Also I'm not sure where you were seeing Monks everywhere.

[PossibleCabbage]

A basic problem now with the monk archetype was that a lot of the reasons to take it was "you can get a d8 agile, finesse stance with a level 1 monk feat, and eventually you can grab FoB".

But Martial Artist still lets your rogue take Stumbling Stance, and has easier unlock requirements. I figure the main reason to MC monk now is for qi spells or grappling stuff.

[mcrn_gyoza]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

A basic problem now with the monk archetype was that a lot of the reasons to take it was "you can get a d8 agile, finesse stance with a level 1 monk feat, and eventually you can grab FoB".

But Martial Artist still lets your rogue take Stumbling Stance, and has easier unlock requirements. I figure the main reason to MC monk now is for qi spells or grappling stuff.

Yes, but that's why I think Monk archetype now doesn't have a niche.

IF you want it for grappling might as well grab Wrestler, and I don't think anyone that wants some focus spells will look at Monk as an option.

Doubly so when you consider that archetype Flurry being worse also makes Ki Strike, Flurry of Maneuvers and Stunning Fist worse.

[Squiggit]

PossibleCabbage wrote:

I figure the main reason to MC monk now is for qi spells or grappling stuff.

Or maybe the parkour stuff, there's no alternative to martial artist for those.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

Something I forgot to ask: did they come up with an ORC-friendly substitute for the Holy Avenger, especially now that Champions have kind of shed the Paladin chrysalis at at last?

It initially looked like they were going to introduce special weapons for each type of Champion, after the Blessed Reformer came out in Treasure Vault, but with the Remaster's changes things might be up in the air for the "iconic knightly weapon that reaches its full power in the hands of a pure-hearted knight" trope ("pure" not necessarily meaning "good" in this description so much as "upholds whatever code of conduct they've sworn without compromise").

[Ravingdork]

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Something I forgot to ask: did they come up with an ORC-friendly substitute for the Holy Avenger, especially now that Champions have kind of shed the Paladin chrysalis at at last?

It initially looked like they were going to introduce special weapons for each type of Champion, after the Blessed Reformer came out in Treasure Vault, but with the Remaster's changes things might be up in the air for the "iconic knightly weapon that reaches its full power in the hands of a pure-hearted knight" trope ("pure" not necessarily meaning "good" in this description so much as "upholds whatever code of conduct they've sworn without compromise").

There's an updated version of the holy avenger in Foundry (my 19th-level champion has two in our AoE campaign), but I have no idea how official that is or if it matches up to anything in the Revised rules.

[Perpdepog]

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Something I forgot to ask: did they come up with an ORC-friendly substitute for the Holy Avenger, especially now that Champions have kind of shed the Paladin chrysalis at at last?

It initially looked like they were going to introduce special weapons for each type of Champion, after the Blessed Reformer came out in Treasure Vault, but with the Remaster's changes things might be up in the air for the "iconic knightly weapon that reaches its full power in the hands of a pure-hearted knight" trope ("pure" not necessarily meaning "good" in this description so much as "upholds whatever code of conduct they've sworn without compromise").

It's not tied to champions specifically, but there is a new magic longsword, at the same level, called the Chalice of Justice. It's treated as a couple different precious materials and once per day you can actiavte it to heal some and do extra damage, with the healing being more effective if you're Holy.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

Perpdepog wrote:

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Something I forgot to ask: did they come up with an ORC-friendly substitute for the Holy Avenger, especially now that Champions have kind of shed the Paladin chrysalis at at last?

It initially looked like they were going to introduce special weapons for each type of Champion, after the Blessed Reformer came out in Treasure Vault, but with the Remaster's changes things might be up in the air for the "iconic knightly weapon that reaches its full power in the hands of a pure-hearted knight" trope ("pure" not necessarily meaning "good" in this description so much as "upholds whatever code of conduct they've sworn without compromise").

It's not tied to champions specifically, but there is a new magic longsword, at the same level, called the Chalice of Justice. It's treated as a couple different precious materials and once per day you can actiavte it to heal some and do extra damage, with the healing being more effective if you're Holy.

Ooooh, GRAIL sword! Me likey! 8D

[Ravingdork]

Does the champion have a feat that lets them replenish all their focus points with a single refocus activity, as we've seen in some other classes?

[Perpdepog]

Ravingdork wrote:

Does the champion have a feat that lets them replenish all their focus points with a single refocus activity, as we've seen in some other classes?

Yes, showing up at 12, like the same kind of feat does for other classes.

[Sanityfaerie]

For the record, I'm really appreciating this thread just as a place to go for the links.