Dwarven barbarian with a deathwish!
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I find it interesting how race/class combos is what most people call out for a character. I need a concept first, so I can pick a race and class that fit.
He's right on this, a concept should not be bound to a race class combinations. A concept is an Idea that does not rely on any one specific race or class and definitely not a specific race class combination, but an idea that does not rely on being defined by a single class or race.
I had no idea concept was so specifically designated as to what it shouldn't be. Just kidding. I completely disagree with both of you. I have a concept. A human fighter. He has a history and...hopefully a future. How is that not a concept?
I get more leery of folks who have a "concept" that uses race and class to "build" toward. I saw a lot of people asking how to "build" certain functions in PF1 advice threads and folks would reply saying "choose this race for x benefit". Completely bereft of "character" and completely beholden to mechanical aspirations. But even that is still a "concept".
So to me, I think of a race/class "concept" I want to explore via roleplay. Has worked well these past 40+ years. Didn't know I wasn't doing it the supposed way.
Oops, hang on. I haven't decided on the gender for my human fighter. I think I'll roll randomly for gender and let fate decide part of my concept.
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I get more leery of folks who have a "concept" that uses race and class to "build" toward. I saw a lot of people asking how to "build" certain functions in PF1 advice threads and folks would reply saying "choose this race for x benefit". Completely bereft of "character" and completely beholden to mechanical aspirations. But even that is still a "concept".
So to me, I think of a race/class "concept" I want to explore via roleplay. Has worked well these past 40+ years. Didn't know I wasn't doing it the supposed way.
Hmm.
My experience is usually the opposite. People come up with a gimmick of mechanics, often just a race/class, and then they build everything else around that mechanical choice. The character concept becomes secondary and subservient to the mechanical concept.
The one thing I like better about “old school” gameplay is that the lack mechanics means most players create character concepts first, and mechanics second or not at all.
I would be interested in playing if we would be staying close to an 'old school' interpretation of sorts, but it would seem it is not the case :)
So I will keep a curious eye on this game, but will not participate.
Lively discussion going on here. I like it.
To be true to myself, I usually come up with something I'd enjoy playing. That means a character concept first. I usually play subtle characters, something hard to do in PF1.
I would be interested in playing if we would be staying close to an 'old school' interpretation of sorts, but it would seem it is not the case :)I’m not sure we can say that yet. I tend to use pf1/3.5 style mechanics while focusing on old school style play and thinking. But maybe that’s just me.
Yeah, different interpretations are of course possible and will depend on the individual.
For me, 25pt buy + Archetypes + Advanced Class Guide + Advanced Player's Guide + Traits is already too dangerous. To each his/her own as always, of course.
Lively discussion going on here. I like it.
To be true to myself, I usually come up with something I'd enjoy playing. That means a character concept first. I usually play subtle characters, something hard to do in PF1.
Would you define concept as;
an root idea not determined on race and or class,or an idea rooted on a specific races, classes or race/class combos?
if the former, how about all character submissions can not mention race, class, or both of them as the concept as part of the recruitment submissions.
So no one knows one or two aspects of the character, though could get a general idea.
And it would force a new perspective/path on making characters for submissions for some.
Check out “Calibrating your Expectations” by Alexandrian. Great article on the topic.
Which topic specifically? That different interpretations of the game are possible?
Got it, thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look. Don’t want to hijack the thread any further.
Check out “Calibrating your Expectations” by Alexandrian. Great article on the topic.
I just read it. Very interesting. If you want to do High Level play, then adjust the game's levels accordingly (20th level was designed for super heroic Demigods). Levels 1-5 are for gritty, realistic fantasy (note that this game takes place in that range). Levels 6 through 10 are for heroic fantasy. And so on.
The design of the game was based on specific tiers. So, if you are expecting a certain play experience, then the GM makes it possible. I only said that since 7 players is the upper limit of what the module could handle, I could handle more variety.
Though some classes work better within a certain tier than others. Investigators work best at levels 1-5. That's just an example. I could run a Call of Cthulhu type game with Pathfinder working around levels 1-5. As another example, Kieth Baker said he designed Eberron to work within a certain level range (which is why he didn't make a full Adventure Path within Eberron). Eberron games work best within the Heroic Fantasy tier.
This game is designed for gritty fantasy -- Which is why I would like to end it after the cult is defeated.
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What’s with all the race class combos? Doesn’t a character need more than that before even picking race and class?
I find it interesting how race/class combos is what most people call out for a character. I need a concept first, so I can pick a race and class that fit.
Well, for me, there are two reasons.
1. Announcing what race/class a player is looking at helps to eliminate duplication.
2. I took Warpriest as it is a class that I have not ran in PFS.
But there are really only 4 roles;
Assault
Skilled
Divine
Arcane
So overlap is likely to happen once you get more then 4, and Bard is the Jack of all Trades master of none class that fills in on all 4 roles in a minor capacity.