After level 16, those would cover all Recall Knowledge checks.
If you think about Unified Theory, it's only for checks related to Traditions (recognizing spells, items, and such). Not for All Recall Knowledge checks.
And spaming Assured Dubious Knowledge seems... dubious, at best. I don't know what kind of optimization you are looking for, but this one will definitely make the combats drag for not much.
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If you think about Unified Theory, it's only for checks related to Traditions (recognizing spells, items, and such). Not for All Recall Knowledge checks.Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up. This makes Unified Theory quite useless, which is strange considering this is the legendary skill for Arcana and comparing it to stuff like Scare to Death, Cloud Jump and the likes. Anyway, in that case I will have to switch out all the Arcana related skill feats with standard martial skill feats.
Ranger monster hunter is the way to cover all the bases for creatures in combat and recall knowledge. At least from level 10.
Or Rogue Mastermind which does have the skill ranks to take everything.
Just letting you know, true strike will decrease your dpr unless the enemy has concealment.
Just letting you know, true strike will decrease your dpr unless the enemy has concealment.Are you calculating the Stand Still attack in that results from the target getting prone? That attack is so much more worth than a -4 and -8 you would be getting on top of denying the enemy 1 action.
Yes, but not accounting for benefits beside damage from making the enemy prone. here's a chart I quickly made
If DPR unarmed attacked is what you're going for, and I know this is entirely different, but have you considered going Animal Barbarian archetyped into monk for flurry of blow?
D12 unarmed attacks with rage bonus on top.
Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.
Is that effective in common use?
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Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.Is that effective in common use?
At level 14+? Yes, snares are insanely strong for 1a and you can trigger them yourself with whirling throw. Before that, 3a snares are very GM dependent on letting you set them up before combat.
At level 14+? Yes, snares are insanely strong for 1a and you can trigger them yourself with whirling throw. Before that, 3a snares are very GM dependent on letting you set them up before combat.Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.Is that effective in common use?
Whirling Throw requires a check. Is that easy to do most of the time against boss monsters? Or is this better against mooks?
So you would use a Bomb Snare with Bottled Lightning for 9d6 electricity damage with Greater Lightning Bombs at lvl 14?
Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.
Hard disagree.
Setting up a Snare is one action.Whirling Throw is 2 actions (one to Grab, one to Throw) with 2 checks.
Average DPR of Snare + Whirling Throw is way under what you can achieve through attacks.
As a side note, Snare + Shove is better, allowing you to achieve the same result with the same number of actions but only one check.
That combo is, however, hilarious !
The best one is to use a Battledancer: Snare + Leading Dance + Finisher.
The best one is to use a Battledancer: Snare + Leading Dance + Finisher.Leading Dance is forced movement so it can’t move them into a Snare.
So are shove and the throw AFAIK
Edit: just reviewed, whirling throw not being forced movement is kinda dumb, probly not errataed officially because paizo are allergic to publishing errata.
Quote on forced movement:
When an effect forces you to move, or if you start falling, the distance you move is defined by the effect that moved you, not by your Speed. Because you’re not acting to move, this doesn’t trigger reactions that are triggered by movement.
If forced movement would move you into a space you can’t occupy—because objects are in the way or because you lack the movement type needed to reach it, for example—you stop moving in the last space you can occupy. Usually the creature or effect forcing the movement chooses the path the victim takes. If you’re pushed or pulled, you can usually be moved through hazardous terrain, pushed off a ledge, or the like. Abilities that reposition you in some other way can’t put you in such dangerous places unless they specify otherwise. In all cases, the GM makes the final call if there’s doubt on where forced movement can move a creature.
Your interpretation of battledancer not being able to be used to put people in snares is based on two basis that are IMO flawed, but of course we won't know for sure until errata, if it happens.
1: snare is hazardous terrain (it is, but it's especially a concealed hazardous terrain). If snares and traps are hazardous terrain, and battledancer can't move things through hazardous terrain, then I'll make a swashbuckler that constantly dances a party member in front of himself. If he can't move forward, I've found the trap. This is a nonsense exemple to showcase why this isn't the case.
2: leading dance is a reposition:. It could easily be labeled as a push or pull, reposition to me seems to indicate allied force movement, such as an ally repositioning you. however, I would easily classify it as a reposition because it makes a lot of sense . Nonetheless, leading dance does not have any language that states it to be reposition. It seems to me that logically there can be only two parallel conclusions: 1:whirling throw is not forced movement because RAW, therefore leading dance is not reposition because RAW. 2: Whirling throw is forced movement because duh! Leading dance is a reposition (but then refer to above comment on snares).
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At level 14+? Yes, snares are insanely strong for 1a and you can trigger them yourself with whirling throw. Before that, 3a snares are very GM dependent on letting you set them up before combat.Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.Is that effective in common use?Whirling Throw requires a check. Is that easy to do most of the time against boss monsters? Or is this better against mooks?
So you would use a Bomb Snare with Bottled Lightning for 9d6 electricity damage with Greater Lightning Bombs at lvl 14?
It’s actually not that hard - you have legendary athletics, which is fighter accuracy, and +2 to the grab check from Clinging Shadows Stance. It’s more consistent than you think.
At level 14 you use either Engulfing Snare (9d8 damage + conditions) or Scything Blade Snare (14d8 damage). At level 16 you can use Omnidirectional Spear Snare (19d8 damage) or Hail of Arrows snare (18d6 but in a 20ft area so you can hurl a mook into it for more consistency.)
Another thing to keep in mind is that larger creatures (which most high level creatures are) can hit multiple snares at the same time, so you can drop 3 snares on r1 followed by stride grab throw to deal 42d8 damage, improving to 57d8 or 54d6 area at level 16.
At level 20 with a lot of setup you can throw the tarrasque into 16 instant evisceration snares for 384d8 damage.
So are shove and the throw AFAIKThe best one is to use a Battledancer: Snare + Leading Dance + Finisher.Leading Dance is forced movement so it can’t move them into a Snare.
Shove is a push so it works.
Throw does not specify that it is forced movement, so it isn’t, unlike leading dance.
See above edit.
Basically snare isn't per say hazardous terrain, or if it is, battledancer is the best trapfinder in the game.
At level 14+? Yes, snares are insanely strong for 1a and you can trigger them yourself with whirling throw. Before that, 3a snares are very GM dependent on letting you set them up before combat.Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.Is that effective in common use?Whirling Throw requires a check. Is that easy to do most of the time against boss monsters? Or is this better against mooks?
So you would use a Bomb Snare with Bottled Lightning for 9d6 electricity damage with Greater Lightning Bombs at lvl 14?
It’s actually not that hard - you have legendary athletics, which is fighter accuracy, and +2 to the grab check from Clinging Shadows Stance. It’s more consistent than you think.
At level 14 you use either Engulfing Snare (9d8 damage + conditions) or Scything Blade Snare (14d8 damage). At level 16 you can use Omnidirectional Spear Snare (19d8 damage) or Hail of Arrows snare (18d6 but in a 20ft area so you can hurl a mook into it for more consistency.)
Another thing to keep in mind is that larger creatures (which most high level creatures are) can hit multiple snares at the same time, so you can drop 3 snares on r1 followed by stride grab throw to deal 42d8 damage, improving to 57d8 or 54d6 area at level 16.
At level 20 with a lot of setup you can throw the tarrasque into 16 instant evisceration snares for 384d8 damage.
So this is all theoretical with an ideal setup? You've seen this build in action against moving creatures played by a tactical minded GM? And it works to max DPR? I find that extremely hard to believe.
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So this is all theoretical with an ideal setup? You've seen this build in action against moving creatures played by a tactical minded GM? And it works to max DPR? I find that extremely hard to believe.At level 14+? Yes, snares are insanely strong for 1a and you can trigger them yourself with whirling throw. Before that, 3a snares are very GM dependent on letting you set them up before combat.Max DPR monk build begins at level 14 and uses snares + whirling throw. The damage output per action of snares with lightning snares is insane, and then you just whirling throw the enemy into them to activate them.Is that effective in common use?Whirling Throw requires a check. Is that easy to do most of the time against boss monsters? Or is this better against mooks?
So you would use a Bomb Snare with Bottled Lightning for 9d6 electricity damage with Greater Lightning Bombs at lvl 14?
It’s actually not that hard - you have legendary athletics, which is fighter accuracy, and +2 to the grab check from Clinging Shadows Stance. It’s more consistent than you think.
At level 14 you use either Engulfing Snare (9d8 damage + conditions) or Scything Blade Snare (14d8 damage). At level 16 you can use Omnidirectional Spear Snare (19d8 damage) or Hail of Arrows snare (18d6 but in a 20ft area so you can hurl a mook into it for more consistency.)
Another thing to keep in mind is that larger creatures (which most high level creatures are) can hit multiple snares at the same time, so you can drop 3 snares on r1 followed by stride grab throw to deal 42d8 damage, improving to 57d8 or 54d6 area at level 16.
At level 20 with a lot of setup you can throw the tarrasque into 16 instant evisceration snares for 384d8 damage.
I’ve seen it in play because I tested it myself. Monk doesn’t do a lot of damage on its own, so a 2 round burst is realistically the best you can hope for. Hitting the Whirling Throw has generally been quite consistent for me, considering it has no MAP, and there was plenty of times where I could just drop a snare at the end of a turn because the build is otherwise a Clinging Shadows controller.
It does run out of snares in longer days, but you don’t really need to do max DPR every encounter - some encounters locking enemies down with grapple/trip + reach is enough.
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Common sense is that you can’t shove og throw a monster you don’t have the strength to move. What is the Bulk of a tarrasque??To shove a tarrasque you just have to be large size and benefit from the titan wrestler feat.
Whriling Throw instead doesn't have size limits, but it gives you up to a -4 on your athletics check ( which is extremely powerful given how much even a +1 is worth in this 2e ).
This leaving apart critical weapon specializations, which allows the character to knock down ( maces or flails ) or move ( polearms or clubs ) a tarrasque on a critical hit.
But this it's all about RAW.
As for the traps, ince there's no mention about how many traps can fit in a single space, it's up to the group to deal with it ( and the most common interpretation is that if there's nothing written, you can stack any number of them ).
I will Throw or Shove unconscious partymember all the way to the healer from now on…
The best one is to use a Battledancer: Snare + Leading Dance + Finisher.Leading Dance is forced movement so it can’t move them into a Snare.
Well, that's the same for Whirling Throw. And as it's neither a push nor a pull, the case can also be made that it can't move an enemy into a Snare.
Also, a Snare isn't Hazardous Terrain. It's normal terrain with a Snare on it.So, per strict RAW, you can with both. If you consider a Snare is enough to transform terrain into Hazardous Terrain, then you can't with both, unless the GM decides so.
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My point was more that there is no difference between shove / throw the thin elf wizard in silk ropes or the dwarven fighter in full plate with bulky weapons and a towershield. Their equipment is not a consideration.
A dex build could properbly not lift the Fighters equipment due to bulk, but can throw him wielding it all instead….
Hence the lack of common sense.