Now if I was to MC at LVL 9 via multitalented into Champion and in theme of an evil Witch, which Evil Paladin has the best reaction for a Debuff Witch?Unfortunately, even if elf with adopted human looks like half elf, it doesn't get to waive stat requirements on multitalented.
If this is what you want, I recommend either your normal human (half-elf) or the funny looking halfling (half-elf) with adopted human. The latter trades your 3rd level general feat and gets a flaw to str (which we weren't using anyway) in exchange for a wisdom boost and better odds vs concealment and hidden.
As for which evil reaction to take, probably tyrant.
Im not sure if it's what I want, I guess what I want is more spells which your build does a great job with so that's perfect, only thing missing is a somewhat reliable Reaction since reactions are just so powerful. Now an evil champions reaction will only trigger if the witch itself is harmed which we will likely have him in the back anyways so that probably isn't the best thing now that I think about it (would it trigger if the familiar was attacked?). The Redeemer is great for the good paladin but the problem is the witch would need to be within 15ft which I think is suicide?
Also I wanted to ask, since Cackle is a Focus Point and we use it vs an enemy in combat, then another Focus Point on another enemy once that initial target is dead, I'm all out of Focus Points? So if we are fighting say 5-6 enemies I'm basically good vs 1 or 2 enemies, then should I just just rely on other spells vs the other enemies? Essentially this character is designed to battle bosses and it seems it is very good at that
Independent + Evil Eye work fine, but Patron's Puppet + Evil Eye will not; you can only cast one hex spell per round.Turn 1:
Independent or Patron's Puppet moves familiar from witch's shoulder into position. > Slow > Evil Eye (or hex of choice)
Does that mean you can't cast Evil Eye + Cackle since both are hexes? That would be rough
Does that mean you can't cast Evil Eye + Cackle since both are hexes? That would be roughIndependent + Evil Eye work fine, but Patron's Puppet + Evil Eye will not; you can only cast one hex spell per round.Turn 1:
Independent or Patron's Puppet moves familiar from witch's shoulder into position. > Slow > Evil Eye (or hex of choice)
Not in the same round.
You could cast one, then sustain the other in the same round though
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Does that mean you can't cast Evil Eye + Cackle since both are hexes? That would be roughIndependent + Evil Eye work fine, but Patron's Puppet + Evil Eye will not; you can only cast one hex spell per round.Turn 1:
Independent or Patron's Puppet moves familiar from witch's shoulder into position. > Slow > Evil Eye (or hex of choice)
Yep I complained about it loudly on the forums but Paizo didn't change.
Does that mean you can't cast Evil Eye + Cackle since both are hexes? That would be roughIndependent + Evil Eye work fine, but Patron's Puppet + Evil Eye will not; you can only cast one hex spell per round.Turn 1:
Independent or Patron's Puppet moves familiar from witch's shoulder into position. > Slow > Evil Eye (or hex of choice)Yep I complained about it loudly on the forums but Paizo didn't change.
I'm with you all the way
Does that mean you can't cast Evil Eye + Cackle since both are hexes? That would be roughIndependent + Evil Eye work fine, but Patron's Puppet + Evil Eye will not; you can only cast one hex spell per round.Turn 1:
Independent or Patron's Puppet moves familiar from witch's shoulder into position. > Slow > Evil Eye (or hex of choice)Not in the same round.
You could cast one, then sustain the other in the same round though
Damn :( anyone can sustain, the point of a witch is to cackle and sustain for free.
Another thing I just noticed with Patron's puppet that actually bumps it up even more imo:
Because it has the Trigger of "when your turn starts" it means that you can get it off BEFORE you countdown the remaining duration of spells
Many things happen automatically at the start of your
turn—it’s a common point for tracking the passage of time
for effects that last multiple rounds. At the start of each of
your turns, take these steps in any order you choose:
• If you created an effect lasting for a certain number
of rounds, reduce the number of rounds remaining
by 1. The effect ends if the duration is reduced to 0.
For example, if you cast a spell that lasts 3 rounds
on yourself during your first turn of a fight, it would
affect you during that turn, decrease to 2 rounds of
duration at the start of your second turn, decrease to
1 round of duration at the start of your third turn, and
expire at the start of your fourth turn.
• You can use 1 free action or reaction with a trigger of
“Your turn begins” or something similar.And since the effects of Ongoing Misery can trigger after the effects of the Patron's puppet (which would be after the 2 actions of the familiar) it means that even if you didn't activate it the previous turn, you can Activate it before an effect with a 1 round duration ends.
As an example, you have to move+slow on t1, enemy makes the save, next round you can Puppet (the familiar moves twice and gets near the enemy)->ongoing misery misery to extend duration from 1->2 -> then duration decreases from 2->1 without the slow falling off.
I hadn't realised that you get to choose the order. That does make it better than I thought, though I think I still prefer Phase Familiar overall to prevent the familiar from going unconscious. Although the effect of ongoing misery happens when you cast/sustain the hex, so I wonder if being out of range, and getting within range with Patron's Puppet actually works that way. After all, you would've been out of range when the hex was cast. I think it probably does work, as it makes sense to resolve the Patron's Puppet first and then Familiar of Ongoing Misery happens, and not the other way around.
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I hadn't realised that you get to choose the order. That does make it better than I thought, though I think I still prefer Phase Familiar overall to prevent the familiar from going unconscious. Although the effect of ongoing misery happens when you cast/sustain the hex, so I wonder if being out of range, and getting within range with Patron's Puppet actually works that way. After all, you would've you would've been out of range when the hex was cast.
That ordering is also up to the player.
One of your familiar’s two bonus abilities is always the one listed here, a mark of your patron’s indelible influence. The benefit can occur only once per round when you Cast or Sustain a hex, and you can choose whether it occurs before or after the effects of Casting or Sustaining the hex.
I hadn't realised that you get to choose the order. That does make it better than I thought, though I think I still prefer Phase Familiar overall to prevent the familiar from going unconscious. Although the effect of ongoing misery happens when you cast/sustain the hex, so I wonder if being out of range, and getting within range with Patron's Puppet actually works that way. After all, you would've you would've been out of range when the hex was cast.That ordering is also up to the player.
One of your familiar’s two bonus abilities is always the one listed here, a mark of your patron’s indelible influence. The benefit can occur only once per round when you Cast or Sustain a hex, and you can choose whether it occurs before or after the effects of Casting or Sustaining the hex.
That's cool! Yeah, that makes Patron's Puppet a lot better than I thought.
It says "the effects of" so the casting still comes first, the unique ability just gets sandwiched in between the act of casting and the effects of the casting (or after said effects).
Nice build, is the Curse of Death hex better than Malicious Shadow? Assuming your late game and you have Effortless Concentration.
Oh wow ya Curse of Death seems better. I think forgetting these spells like Malicious Shadow is only single target so once that creature is dead it's all over. The enemy could be dead in one round or three rounds, if it lasts 3 rounds you can get some good mileage from spells like Malicious Hex otherwise it seems a bit lackluster.
I'm starting at level 15 and going to 20, for the familiar should I grab the Fairy Dragon (Independent, Lifelink, Speech? and some Resistance ones if I go Enhanced Familiar?)
Also I noticed for Basic wizard spellcasting it says your casting prof is Expert, that is unfortunately behind my Master DCs for Occult spells :(
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You're already playing a Remaster Class so why on earth would you use pre-Remaster Multiclass Spellcasting rules? Your DCs for ALL Spellcasting should be unified since that is no longer ever tied to any specific Spellcasting Tradition, your DCs won't suffer at all unless you end up taking some source of Spells that doesn't rely on Int as the casting stat.
I was reading the core and it said you have expert prof, I didn't know it automatically gets turned to master. Good to know sir!
A sample build though,
Ancient elf - wizard
1) patron's puppet, nimble elf
2) basic lesson - life
3) adopted ancestry - human
4) enhanced familiar
5) natural ambition - cauldron or cackle
6) archetype casting, archetype conceal spell or ceremonial dagger
7) tough
8) spirit familiar or incredible familiar (opens option for a spellslime to ignore boss crits), or see 6)
9) multitalented - psychic
10) doubles double, major lesson (raise dead), or see 8)
11) fleet
12) hex focus, expert archetype casting or see 10)
13) elf step
14) see 12)
15) canny acumen
16) effortless concentration or see 14)
17) unwavering mein
18) master archetype casting or see 16)
19) Incredible Initiative
20) patron's truthEh, rough around the edges but it'll do. If wizard isn't your jam, anything else will also work. Rogue and gunslinger can even provide master reflex/perception if you want or you can go alch to nail that brewing witch flavor.
Which arcane school do you recommend here?
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Boundary for the access to uncommon spells. If your gm doesn't restrict spells based on rarity, it doesn't matter.
What if I'm starting this character at level 12, would you still get ancient elf for the Wizard Dedication at level 1 or go a different race say half elf and get wizard Dedication at level 2 or 4?
That's a build that's doing basically everything it can to maximize class feats. Ancient Elf lets you turn your heritage into a level 2 class feat, and then adopted ancestry lets you turn your level 3 general and level 5 ancestry feats into a level 1 class feat while also turning your level 9 ancestry feat into another level 2 class feat. It's... mildly cheesy. Still, it's doing it that way for a reason. No other method lets you drag quite so many class feats out of feat conversion.
I'll note that if you're willing to go mildly cheesy, then you can also play silly games with a familiar tattoo. You have to make sure that your familiar doesn't die at any point, but keeping them safe in the tattoo will do that. You don't get any benefit from Independent... but you also don't have to worry about dumping feats into your familiar to try to keep them alive. It's a build for a witch who's willing to get a bit closer to the action.
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The amped cantrips are a good way to get reliable burst damage out of your focus pool, which is otherwise mostly damage over time and debuffs.
Right okay gotcha. So theoretically in a cheesy scenario, how would using free archetype rules affect that build? Because you wouldn't be able to pick up a free feat level two since you've already taken up wizard dedication level 1 via the ancient elf. Would you go versatile human level 1 and take up wizard dedication feat level 2?
i suppose it's a question of however you want to play, but I'm just trying to think of it in as cheesy way as possible to get as many class feats as i could with free archetype rules
Well, if you want to stick as close to gesalt's build... You don't need to be an elf unless your GM house rules ancient elf to work better with free archetype. Might as well go human so you can take natural ambition at 1st level for cackle or cauldron. You could do whatever with your heritage. I went changeling for flavor and because I like darkvision.
Otherwise, gesalt's build has a bunch of feats where you have a couple options, now you just take both. Ex: at level 6 you take Ceremonial Knife AND archetype basic casting. If your goal is to max your multiclass feats, you could look for overlap between the witch list and other class feats. Taking enhanced familiar through the archetype by spending your regular class feats, for example.