Transformative Single to Double Weapon Enchantment Questions


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If I had a single weapon, let's say a +1 Flaming Short sword, give it the Greater Transformative Enchantment, then turn that short sword to a quarterstaff. Could I then enchant the new “other” end of the quarterstaff with +1 frost, resulting in a +1 flaming/+1 Frost Transformative weapon?

The purpose of the weapon is to have two sets of enchantments that can be switched between.


Transformative will not alter a single weapon into a double weapon.

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TxSam88 wrote:
Transformative will not alter a single weapon into a double weapon.

Greater Transformative can.

Greater Transformative wrote:
A greater transformative weapon becomes any other weapon the wielder desires when a command word is spoken. . . A double weapon that loses the double quality cannot use the abilities on one of its ends (wielder’s choice), whereas a non-double weapon that gains the double quality applies all its abilities to only one end. When unattended for 1 day, the weapon reverts to its true shape.

What you want to do, Tom, is a little bit of a gray area the way you worded it. It would definitely work the other way - you could start with a weapon whose true shape was a double weapon and transform it into a single weapon. I'd probably allow doing what you want as well.

There's a weird edge case with double weapons, and I'm not sure how it's supposed to be handled. If you have a double weapon and only put greater transformative on one end then transform it into a single weapon, choosing the properties of the other end, your new non-double weapon does not have the transformative property. Can you still change it at will? Or do you have to set it down for 24 hours and wait for it to go back to a double weapon before you can change it to something else?

My gut says that the 24-hour thing would be silly and that you should still be able to transform it. But the text says you "cannot use the abilities on one of its ends" so if greater transformative is on the end you chose not to use. . .

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Tom Marlow wrote:

If I had a single weapon, let's say a +1 Flaming Short sword, give it the Greater Transformative Enchantment, then turn that short sword to a quarterstaff. Could I then enchant the new “other” end of the quarterstaff with +1 frost, resulting in a +1 flaming/+1 Frost Transformative weapon?

The purpose of the weapon is to have two sets of enchantments that can be switched between.

The most basic issue here is that this is not really a good idea: A +1 Flaming Frost weapon is strictly superior and only slightly more expensive (18,000g) than your double weapon enchant (8,000g x 2 = 16,000g), and even then you would probably be better off with a +2 Flaming Weapon - or - a +2 Frost Weapon, as it really doesn't matter how much damage your weapon does when you miss...

If you really want to go the double weapon route, it should work...


Taja the Barbarian wrote:
Tom Marlow wrote:

If I had a single weapon, let's say a +1 Flaming Short sword, give it the Greater Transformative Enchantment, then turn that short sword to a quarterstaff. Could I then enchant the new “other” end of the quarterstaff with +1 frost, resulting in a +1 flaming/+1 Frost Transformative weapon?

The purpose of the weapon is to have two sets of enchantments that can be switched between.

The most basic issue here is that this is not really a good idea: A +1 Flaming Frost weapon is strictly superior and only slightly more expensive (18,000g) than your double weapon enchant (8,000g x 2 = 16,000g), and even then you would probably be better off with a +2 Flaming Weapon - or - a +2 Frost Weapon, as it really doesn't matter how much damage your weapon does when you miss...

If you really want to go the double weapon route, it should work...

I am more wondering by RAW/RAI can you take a single enchanted weapon, give it Greater Transformative, change it into a double weapon, and give the other "End" a new set of enchantments. So you can have a single "weapon" that has two sets of enchantments on it. Cost not being a factor.

The Frost/Flaming was just a example.

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Tom Marlow wrote:
Taja the Barbarian wrote:
Tom Marlow wrote:

If I had a single weapon, let's say a +1 Flaming Short sword, give it the Greater Transformative Enchantment, then turn that short sword to a quarterstaff. Could I then enchant the new “other” end of the quarterstaff with +1 frost, resulting in a +1 flaming/+1 Frost Transformative weapon?

The purpose of the weapon is to have two sets of enchantments that can be switched between.

The most basic issue here is that this is not really a good idea: A +1 Flaming Frost weapon is strictly superior and only slightly more expensive (18,000g) than your double weapon enchant (8,000g x 2 = 16,000g), and even then you would probably be better off with a +2 Flaming Weapon - or - a +2 Frost Weapon, as it really doesn't matter how much damage your weapon does when you miss...

If you really want to go the double weapon route, it should work...

I am more wondering by RAW/RAI can you take a single enchanted weapon, give it Greater Transformative, change it into a double weapon, and give the other "End" a new set of enchantments. So you can have a single "weapon" that has two sets of enchantments on it. Cost not being a factor.

The Frost/Flaming was just a example.

Based on the Transformative, Greater enchantment text, you certainly could swap between two sets of enchants, but it would probably require a 'double' transformation to do so (one standard action to shift back to a 'double' weapon so both enchants are available, then another standard action to transform back to a non-double weapon with the 'other' enchant)...

It's just not particularly useful...


Fair point, this is a item that is going to more for its Flavor/RP fun, than its hard gameplay advantages.

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