I have seen some inconsistency in the way maintaining a grab is done in games and just wanted to clarify to MAINTAIN a grab.
Player: must roll the Grapple Athletics check vs Fortitude to maintain
Creatures: just need to spend an Action to maintain?
Other question:
If you have a creature grabbed, can you reposition to an adjacent square that is still within the same (5 ft) reach? In other words, that does not qualify as "moving away" which breaks the grab.
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I have seen some inconsistency in the way maintaining a grab is done in games and just wanted to clarify to MAINTAIN a grab.
Player: must roll the Grapple Athletics check vs Fortitude to maintain
Creatures: just need to spend an Action to maintain?Other question:
If you have a creature grabbed, can you reposition to an adjacent square that is still within the same (5 ft) reach? In other words, that does not qualify as "moving away" which breaks the grab.
Grab is a different ability to grapple.
Grab is a creature ability that allows a creature to auto-grapple someone they either just hit with an attack with this trait, or else renew someone already grabbed with this ability.
Grapple is an action to grapple a target for a round.
Yeah, I agree. The OP has confused grapple and grab. Grab is a special ability some monster have. I don't believe PCs have access to it. It's mostly mean for monsters who are well known for grappling their enemies.
Keep in mind that the grabbed condition while not pleasant, doesn't stop a martial character from doing their thing, though casters may have trouble casting a spell if it has the manipulate trait.
Oh, and as for the question about moving, you just straight up can't move. Look at the grabbed condition, it cause flat-footed and immobilized conditions. Immobilized straight up stops you from taking actions with the move trait.
Edit: just realized that the OP's question on movement was written about the creature doing the grab/grapple. The rules also state that moving ends an attacking creatures grapple/grab/restraint. So again, no you can't move.
Yeah, I agree. The OP has confused grapple and grab. Grab is a special ability some monster have. I don't believe PCs have access to it. It's mostly mean for monsters who are well known for grappling their enemies.
Keep in mind that the grabbed condition while not pleasant, doesn't stop a martial character from doing their thing, though casters may have trouble casting a spell if it has the manipulate trait.
Oh, and as for the question about moving, you just straight up can't move. Look at the grabbed condition, it cause flat-footed and immobilized conditions. Immobilized straight up stops you from taking actions with the move trait.
Edit: just realized that the OP's question on movement was written about the creature doing the grab/grapple. The rules also state that moving ends an attacking creatures grapple/grab/restraint. So again, no you can't move.
That's a good distinction (Grab ability vs Grappling). Regarding the second question, where this comes from is in the last sentence of Grab description "Grab ends for a grabbed creatures if the monster moves away from it"
So if a monster with Grab ability just moves to an adjacent square but not increasing it's distance 'away' from creature it has grabbed, I assume that is okay then?
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So if a monster with Grab ability just moves to an adjacent square but not increasing it's distance 'away' from creature it has grabbed, I assume that is okay then?
It is possible to read it that way. Though this makes the Grab ability even more imbalanced when compared to Grapple that player characters can use.
Grapple ends if you move. No wiggle room for moving to a location where you can still reach the target.
Yeah, I would apply the rules from grapple that says if you (as the attacker move) it ends the condition.
Like maybe it doesn't if you move towards your prey, but this is a monster ability only, so players should be more worried about it working this way than hoping it does.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Yeah, I would apply the rules from grapple that says if you (as the attacker move) it ends the condition.
Like maybe it doesn't if you move towards your prey, but this is a monster ability only, so players should be more worried about it working this way than hoping it does.
Monster ability only? That hasn't been true since Summoner hit the scene.
What, specifically, are you referring to?
I am seeing Advanced Weaponry - but that only gives the Grapple trait to the attack. The Eidolon still has to use the normal grapple rules for PCs.
I am also seeing Constricting Hold, but that also is working with the normal PC Grapple.
Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see anything that gives an Eidolon the Grab monster ability.
Edit: Found it. Grasping Limbs.
So one specific player option gives grab.
Regardless, I stand by my general statement. Grab is more something for players to be afraid of than hoping to exploit.
Yes. Bestiary page 343. Or online here.
For whatever that is worth.
A question here in regards to maintaining the grapple, let's say you initially restrained the target via a Crit success, when maintaining if you only got a success would it just be grappled at that point or does restrained continue on till the end of the next round?
This is different from the monster ability Grab, which can be used on a creature the monster has already grabbed or restrained to automatically extend that condition to the end of the monster's next turn
Even that could be thought of as a new condition each time Grab is used. The conditions would be redundant, but would have a different ending time.