http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon
There are rules to becoming a demon, I'm wondering if it's possible to become a devil using the same system.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/devil
It doesn't say on here so I'm wondering if there's a rule I'm missing. If so could someone link me.
The only trait they have is the see in darkness, and for that they lose a resistance to fire.
You worship a devil like a Lucifer, and otherwise it would be the same?
If it's not possible is there a demon like the Erinyes?
Edit: Specifically in the corrupted angel theme, a fallen aasamir seems like Erinyes is the best suited of the evil
I'm making your urls to links, for anybody reading: Demon and Devil.
Rub-Eta wrote: I'm making your urls to links, for anybody reading: Demon and Devil.
Thanks, in the future I'll make sure to do that more often.
There are rules, they're just much less "awesome" for most.
1) Die; go to hell. Get tormented until you're nothing but a lemure.
2) Die; make a slick bargain that'll get you out of torment as a lemure and promoted quickly, maybe, unless your "slick" bargain merely consigns you to hell (which happens).
3) Die; be such a hardcore Lawful Evil guy, yo, (who coincided with the work of hell) that your petitioner spirit finds "favor" with a bigger devil who will turn you (along with some lemures) into a devil.
4) Die; ascend to the heavens, do some terrible things (lawfully) and fall: instant devil.
5) Sell your soul to (the/a) devil(s) to become one when you die.
So not as terribly exciting, but that's, canonically, how you become a devil. (Several of those are similar to how you become a demon, outside of the rituals you listed.)
As far as rituals go... there's none that I actually know of.
If you're interested in home-brewing rituals, you can more or less copy/paste those. It works, for the most part.
And yes they lose resistance to fire but they gain immunity. And no, there isn't any rules for this.
And well, Demons and Devils aren't the same thing. Demons are, as noted, sinful souls that have gone through a processe. Devils are more or less born that way. Or rather, you have to die and come to hell and then rightfully become a devil.
If you're looking to make a PC with the "fallen angel" theme, go for aasimar. I wouldn't allow a player to use the demon rules for a demonic character.
This is just be grabbing personal interpretations from my rear, but devils seem like the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' type.
While demons will gladly turn if you if make it worth their while, devils would probably resent anyone that got a fast track for a promotion like that (remember, most devils become that way due to countless years as a lemure before finally being allowed to turn into a low level devil, where they build themselves up via a long career of working for the next guy up the totem pole; there are at time spontaneous transformations, but those usually come again with a long period of metamorphosis).
So to get directly into the position of a decently powered devil...you would have to do something that is equal to centuries of pain, torture, and doling out pain and torture. Have you conquered and given the souls of an entire kingdom lately?
I am also guessing that this is for an NPC...because even looking at the readily available demon transformation material, it does not seem like something a PC could do in the pace of campaign. So maybe have this aasimar hand over a powerful macguffin in return for a position in Hell's army and a new form?
Rub-Eta wrote: And yes they lose resistance to fire but they gain immunity. And no, there isn't any rules for this.
And well, Demons and Devils aren't the same thing. Demons are, as noted, sinful souls that have gone through a processe. Devils are more or less born that way. Or rather, you have to die and come to hell and then rightfully become a devil.
If you're looking to make a PC with the "fallen angel" theme, go for aasimar. I wouldn't allow a player to use the demon rules for a demonic character.
I was thinking of it as a goal of the characters rather than as something that necessarily had to happen. Specifically I had in mind were two Aasimar orphan siblings, barely 9 months apart in age.
I mainly wanted devils for the Erinyes because they seem most appropriate for aasimars, but I guess they can just not think about it.
The concept I've got is that the youngest the girl (antipaladin) worships Pazuzu, and the male worships Lamashtu, the male protected the girl for a while when she was younger, but then she began taking the lead, deciding that they should.. any way I'm getting sidetracked for a rules board.
Thanks for the replies, what I might do is see if I can't just make variant Erinyes demons instead, they're not very strong compared to the other ones if this concept gets anywhere.
Edit: Re Lemeres yeah this would either be NPC's or a solo campaign where I play both characters
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An Aasimar is extremely unlikely to get a free trip into being a Devil unless they nearly obtained godhead as a force for good and then royally screwed the pooch in a spectacular way. Just being an average Joe Schmoe the Paladin who snapped and plotted the downfall of a few churches of Iomodae is enough to get you into Hell, but not to be turned into a Devil right away.
Devils are a very orderly and bureaucratic bunch who love hierarchy. Most souls freshly damned to Hell have to spend hundreds if not thousands of years climbing up the corporate ladder before they even get a tiny bit of devil power. Also except in a few rare cases, becoming an Erinyes is pretty much reserved for full blooded Angels and other Celestials who fall in an orderly fashion.
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lemeres wrote: This is just be grabbing personal interpretations from my rear, but devils seem like the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' type.
While demons will gladly turn if you if make it worth their while, devils would probably resent anyone that got a fast track for a promotion like that (remember, most devils become that way due to countless years as a lemure before finally being allowed to turn into a low level devil, where they build themselves up via a long career of working for the next guy up the totem pole; there are at time spontaneous transformations, but those usually come again with a long period of metamorphosis).
So to get directly into the position of a decently powered devil...you would have to do something that is equal to centuries of pain, torture, and doling out pain and torture. Have you conquered and given the souls of an entire kingdom lately?
I am also guessing that this is for an NPC...because even looking at the readily available demon transformation material, it does not seem like something a PC could do in the pace of campaign. So maybe have this aasimar hand over a powerful macguffin in return for a position in Hell's army and a new form?
Interesting post. I feel the same way about devils and how you got to prove either your raw power and strength or you got to corrupt a lot of souls before they give you very much. A friend of mine actually would like to become an infernal duke, or at least his right hand man and I've had similar issues to juggle since he is only mortal. What I was wondering about is maybe if you could kill a pit fiend ur value is such you could become a devil and his wish be full filled.
Demons IMO will take the least amount of work to kill as many people as possible. So I could see them turning a willing soul into another warped being very easily if they perceive that their effort would not be wasted. Devils are very patient would not transform anyone hastily.
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I suspect becoming a devil would entail more paperwork than becoming a demon. They definitely seem the type to keep records.
If I was running a short Evil campaign I might let my players spend a feat and a PrC on something similar to the Celestial/Deific/Demonic Obedience feats to get Devilbound Creature Template. Then use the Devil they signed the deal with as the main contact NPC for missions. It won't be balanced, but in Evil games I tend to up the difficulty.
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