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I don't regard my college room-mate's car as anything more than a means of transportation, but I'd recognize it if I saw it now, and it's been more than 18 years.
Really? I'm not sure I would. Hell, I'm not sure that I'd recognize the specific Honda Civic that I drove three years ago, as opposed to any other, similarly painted, Civic. I'm not even sure I could tell the difference between it and a similar car from a different model year. "It's just transportation," and they sell a half million of those things each year. And that's just on one planet.
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Also, wouldn't Owen and Beru have recognized 3P0 in short order?.No... because 3P0 wasn't "finished, lacking his outer shell until after Padme took him away from Tattooine.Also... some 20 years had passed and, as has been established, many droids look the same. C-3PO also had been 'wiped' and wouldn't have recognized them, either. You could make a case that part of the reason Owen took 3PO was due to a vague memory of a similar droid all those years ago.
Or more likely because it's established that his wife told him that if he got a translator to make sure that it spoke Bocce. So presumably they'd been in the market for one if it was cheap enough. The only real question is whether 3PO lied when he boasted of that capability.
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Or more likely because it's established that his wife told him that if he got a translator to make sure that it spoke Bocce. So presumably they'd been in the market for one if it was cheap enough. The only real question is whether 3PO lied when he boasted of that capability.
Is there any evidence suggesting that 3PO is even capable of (deliberate) lying? He was pretty resistant, for example, to saying that he would work his magic on the Ewoks....
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Given the way Anthony Daniels has played the character (to perfection!), I'm completely certain that C-3PO doesn't have the emotional sophistication required for lying. As you pointed out, being less than completely honest with the Ewoks was an issue.
Edit: Orf, have you even read the Little Fuzzy series by H. Beam Piper? It get just as cutesy as the name would suggest, but it seems relevant. Lying is evidence for sapience in the series, because you can't lie on an instinctual level. Look, don't blame me, it was written in 1957 or something.
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Edit: Orf, have you even read the Little Fuzzy series by H. Beam Piper?
Both versions of it, including Fuzzy Bones, which was not by Piper.
Lying is evidence for sapience in the series, because you can't lie on an instinctual level. Look, don't blame me, it was written in 1957 or something.
Yup. Although I think in this case it's less a "sapience" issue and more a programming one, since a translator droid that could lie would be untrustworthy and (ahem) "less useful." ("Where did you put the diamonds? Tell me or I'll kill you?" <garble garble garble> "Master, he says you don't have the stones to kill him.")
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Orf, I just want to tell you that I respect you for answering my question in a reasonable tone of voice on the internet. Rereading my own post, I noticed that I typed "have you even," in place of "have you ever." I feel like the former reads as much more insulting than the latter. Sorry about that.
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Do you even read?
Also, I tried to Hide this thread earlier (because I got tired of arguing whether the movie was terrible or good), and it's not working. It shows as Hidden, but...well, it still shows. Weird.
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Is there any evidence suggesting that 3PO is even capable of (deliberate) lying? He was pretty resistant, for example, to saying that he would work his magic on the Ewoks....
Or more likely because it's established that his wife told him that if he got a translator to make sure that it spoke Bocce. So presumably they'd been in the market for one if it was cheap enough. The only real question is whether 3PO lied when he boasted of that capability.
There was that scene during the trash compactor scene where C3po lies to the stormtroopers that found them in the closet.
Can't remember the exact lie... either 'they went THAT way'... or something about needing to take R2 for maintanence and snuck back to the falcon.
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Rule 34 has no impact on Star Wars canon. Thankfully.
thank the Lord in heaven
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Rule 34 has no impact on Star Wars canon. Thankfully.thank the Lord in heaven
Is this still cannon? because wookie jedi are overpowered.
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"After hauling in $529 million worldwide during its opening weekend—the highest ever—Star Wars: The Force Awakens continues to shatter box office records. This week, the movie is expected to surpass Avatar as the highest-grossing movie at the box office in North America.
Over the weekend, The Force Awakens tallied $83 million in ticket sales domestically, making it the highest third-weekend ever for a movie, according to Entertainment Weekly. The movie's now reached $740.3 million domestically, topping Jurassic World's $652.3 million and Titanic's $658.7 million. When adjusted for inflation, The Force Awakens is now the second-highest grossing domestic movie ever. It's expected to earn the top spot in just a few days when it overtakes Avatar's $760.5 million."
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As to whether R2 or 3PO are special, 3pO certainly isn't. He's just a fairly standard protocol droid. R2, on the other hand, is a heavily modified Astromech that's been used as an espionage tool for about 70 years, and has avoided a memory-wipe that whole time.
For reference, droids are usually memory wiped every 5-10 years because they get unpredictable and quirky after a while.
R2 is really quirky.
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I think R2 is destined to lead a droid liberation army in the future.
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Where will *you* be when Star Wars The Force Awakens becomes the most profitable movie of all time?
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"I have never seen such devotion in a droid before"
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Or more likely because it's established that his wife told him that if he got a translator to make sure that it spoke Bocce. So presumably they'd been in the market for one if it was cheap enough. The only real question is whether 3PO lied when he boasted of that capability.
Considering that he actually DID speak not only ewok, but whatever version of ewok it was that they spoke on the particular part of endor, I'd consider the language of Tatooine a given
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I'm just saddened that they couldn't find the parts, after R2 was blasted by Vader in the trench run, to repair R2's rocket thrusters. It is a truly sad thing. [/snark]
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So something that bugs me about the First Order Tie/SF... Why install a 360 degree rotating turret when you have about 120 degrees on each side where your line of fire is broken by your own wings? Seems like a major design flaw...
Because it's easier to install a single rotating turret than two front/back turrets, especially bearing in mind that the rotating turret _should_ be a hemipherical turret in case you need to fire vertically as well.
Software safety cutouts to disable firing into your own wings are very easy to create, although I'm sure some hotshot pilots will disable that kind of cutout "for performance reasons."
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No more so then firing through your propeller.
... which, to be fair, did kill a number of pilots in 1914 before an effective synchronizer was developed. (Actually, they were still killing pilots that way until the end of the war.)
Huzzah! If all goes well, I should finally get to see the movie on 15 January!
See it in 3D if at all possible. 3D improves it immensely!
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See it in 3D if at all possible. 3D improves it immensely!
Disagree. The 2D was sold out, so I saw it in 3D and found it to be a constant distraction and annoyance. I just wanted to watch the movie, not have my glasses scream
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See it in 3D if at all possible. 3D improves it immensely!Disagree. The 2D was sold out, so I saw it in 3D and found it to be a constant distraction and annoyance. I just wanted to watch the movie, not have my glasses scream
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We saw it the other way around; 2D then 3D and my hubby upgraded his opinion from C+ to a solid B, as it was obviously intended to be seen in 3D.
I found the 3D much less intrusive and much smoother than many others {{{{cough, cough Hobbit cough, cough}}}} we'd seen.
See it in 3D if at all possible. 3D improves it immensely!Disagree. The 2D was sold out, so I saw it in 3D and found it to be a constant distraction and annoyance. I just wanted to watch the movie, not have my glasses scream
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We saw it the other way around; 2D then 3D and my hubby upgraded his opinion from C+ to a solid B, as it was obviously intended to be seen in 3D.
I found the 3D much less intrusive and much smoother than many others {{{{cough, cough Hobbit cough, cough}}}} we'd seen.
I thought Abrahms specifically stated he intended it to be seen in 2d and that's the format he mainly filmed it for in regards to his nostalgia filters or something.
However, he did 3d because the powers that be want everything 3d now days.
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i would have rather watched it in 2d, but it didn't agree with my planned viewing, and was on a much much smaller screen.
3d gives me big problems, as i have real issues focusing properly through passive stereoscopes and passive 3d goggles. however, it had no obvious 3d gimmickry which was OK by me (and kept me from getting too queasy).
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No more so then firing through your propeller.... which, to be fair, did kill a number of pilots in 1914 before an effective synchronizer was developed. (Actually, they were still killing pilots that way until the end of the war.)
synchronization tech is much better in the first order than in wwi aviation technology.
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i would have rather watched it in 2d, but it didn't agree with my planned viewing, and was on a much much smaller screen.
3d gives me big problems, as i have real issues focusing properly through passive stereoscopes and passive 3d goggles. however, it had no obvious 3d gimmickry which was OK by me (and kept me from getting too queasy).
Real 3D is much better nowdays.
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See it in 3D if at all possible. 3D improves it immensely!Disagree. The 2D was sold out, so I saw it in 3D and found it to be a constant distraction and annoyance. I just wanted to watch the movie, not have my glasses scream
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We saw it the other way around; 2D then 3D and my hubby upgraded his opinion from C+ to a solid B, as it was obviously intended to be seen in 3D.
I found the 3D much less intrusive and much smoother than many others {{{{cough, cough Hobbit cough, cough}}}} we'd seen.
I thought Abrahms specifically stated he intended it to be seen in 2d and that's the format he mainly filmed it for in regards to his nostalgia filters or something.
However, he did 3d because the powers that be want everything 3d now days.
That may be, but it seems he liked the 3d cut of the film.
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Whether you think she is a Mary Sue or not, I think we can all agree that this is a good thing though ridiculous it took social pressure to make it happen.
Hasbro is adding Rey to Star Wars Monopoly after criticism from fans
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Whether you think she is a Mary Sue or not, I think we can all agree that this is a good thing though ridiculous it took social pressure to make it happen.
Hasbro is adding Rey to Star Wars Monopoly after criticism from fans
In related news, the action figures for the upcoming Ghostbusters movie is just an empty box.
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Whether you think she is a Mary Sue or not, I think we can all agree that this is a good thing though ridiculous it took social pressure to make it happen.
Hasbro is adding Rey to Star Wars Monopoly after criticism from fans
So run out and get the first edition without Rey before they sell out.
From RPG.net user N0-1_H3r3 has a great view on Ben Solo/ Kylo Ren:
His father is the smuggler turned war hero who did the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs. His mother is the former Princess of Alderaan who was one of the leaders of the Alliance to Restore the Republic. His uncle confronted the Emperor and Darth Vader, and is the Last of the Jedi. His maternal grandfather was a celebrated war hero during the Clone Wars, a Jedi and warrior of legendary might and power, and then became a figure of terror as Darth Vader. Hell, his dad's best friend is a veteran of two galactic wars (Chewie fought in the Clone Wars too). All of his family have respect and power. And that's without considering his maternal grandmother, who was Queen of Naboo, then a highly-respected and outspoken Senator in the days of the Republic (though he may not know that - we don't know how much Luke and Leia know about their mother).
Ben Solo has a lot to live up to. Sheer frustration at not being the Jedi his grandfather and uncle are. We don't see him flying like Luke and Anakin, or like Han (though, admittedly, we never see him flying full-stop). The Dark Side turns his frustration and anger into power. His selfishness feeds from feeling like he doesn't live up to the legacies of any of his family (let alone all of it - he carries the burden of being a Skywalker, an Amidala, a Solo, and an Organa). Worse, Luke lived up to his father's reputation. Leia lived up to the legacies of both her real mother and her adoptive father. Ben... just can't. Hell, he might even carry the burden of the name he was given as well - he's named after another great Jedi and war hero.
Honestly, trying to turn to the Dark Side seems like a logical choice - so many legacies to live up to for one person, like he's the culmination of two generations of legends, heroes, and figures of renown.
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... or I see it less as "this is a legitimate excuse" (i.e. it doesn't truly make anything he did justifiable in any way) and more "this makes it comprehensible why he might just cave into the pressure" considering we're rather intimately familiar with both his uncle and his grandfather... and they're both whiny and over-emotional as well.
In other words, to me, while "affluenza" is a totally stupid reason, it is a reason (specifically, we would have said, "he was spoiled" because the person was, you know, spoiled). In this case a whiny overly-emotional super-powered family prone to sinking to depression and fury by caving under pressure produced... a whiny, over-emotional super-powered kid prone to sinking to sinking to depression and fury by caving under pressure.
Seems legit, and makes his character make sense.