Star Wars: The Force Awakens

[Tacticslion]

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Boot to the Head could have followed Ben away from Luke.

(I'm afraid your link is broken.)

[Wei Ji the Learner]

Boot To the Head

That one should work better, thanks.

[Kobold Catgirl]

#GrayJedi2016

[baron arem heshvaun]

Comparisons of two politicians, each at their first and last, State of the Republic Address.

In eight years the Art of Politics weighed heavy for President Obama, but it is most evident here that our beloved Emperor Palpatine loved controlling The Galaxy so much, that three years was enough to tax and impact even his enduring mettle.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

It should be noted that Obama was younger (and arguably *healthier*) than Palpatine.

Also, that picture looks like the one *after* he'd been attacked by Jedi, so yeah, it's a bit weathered looking, because he does the 'reveal' after that to justify his Executive Order 66?

[Pan]

What the hell is a grey jedi?

[Lemmy]

Jedis that use the both the Dark and the Light side of the Force... Since the expanded universe was wiped out from canon, I don't think they officially exist anymore.

[Hama]

Kyle Katarn was one, unwittingly. "Remember it doesn't matter if the force powers you use are light or dark. It's how you use them."

[Misroi]

Kyle Katarn was a Mary Sue.

[Imbicatus]

Misroi wrote:

Kyle Katarn Every Jedi ever created was a Mary Sue.

FIFY

[Krensky]

Pan wrote:

What the hell is a grey jedi?

It can be used in a few different ways. There's the 'true' meaning, which is a Force user, typically based in the Jedi tradition, that uses the Dark Side without being corrupted by it or surrendering to it's power. Jolee Bindo is the strongest example. It should be noted that Jedi like Kyle Katarn or Plo Koon who used Dark Side powers do not fall into this category because they still follow the Order's beliefs, even if they dabble.

Another definition is a Jedi who is a dissident or rejects aspects of the High Council or the Order's teachings. This is actually the first use of the term in the real world and it was applied to Qui Gon Jinn.

A third has to do with any Force user who does not follow the Jedi Order's teachings regarding the Light and Dark or is outside of the order, but is not corrupted by Dark and has not embraced it. Ashoka Tano, for instance.

The term also does not apply to those Force users and traditions that do not believe in the existance of the Dark Side.

[Hitdice]

. . . Real world?

[Krensky]

Hitdice wrote:

. . . Real world?

The term was first used in one of the Dark Horse comics to describe Qui Gon Jinn and his status/relationship with the High Council.

But thanks for the snarky insult.

[Hama]

Misroi wrote:

Kyle Katarn was a Mary Sue.

Oh really. Do explain.

[thejeff]

Hama wrote:

Misroi wrote:

Kyle Katarn was a Mary Sue.

Oh really. Do explain.

Actually, please don't. We don't need another multipage tangent on Mary Sues.

[Hitdice]

Krensky wrote:

Hitdice wrote:

. . . Real world?

The term was first used in one of the Dark Horse comics to describe Qui Gon Jinn and his status/relationship with the High Council.

But thanks for the snarky insult.

Krensky, I just didn't understand what you meant. I mean, thanks for the clarification, but you're inferring a lot when you find two words and some punctuation snarky or insulting.

[baron arem heshvaun]

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

It should be noted that Obama was younger (and arguably *healthier*) than Palpatine.

It should be noted that I was making a joke. But good point I guess? Let's not get into Palpatine Health Care implications here during an election year.

[TOZ]

Hitdice wrote:

I mean, thanks for the clarification, but you're inferring a lot when you find two words and some punctuation snarky or insulting.

That's probably my fault. Sorry.

[Bill Dunn]

baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

It should be noted that Obama was younger (and arguably *healthier*) than Palpatine.

It should be noted that I was making a joke. But good point I guess? Let's not get into Palpatine Health Care implications here during an election year.

Yeah, I had to hear enough about Reagan's polyps back in the day. I don't need to hear any more.

[Misroi]

thejeff wrote:

Hama wrote:

Misroi wrote:

Kyle Katarn was a Mary Sue.

Oh really. Do explain.

Actually, please don't. We don't need another multipage tangent on Mary Sues.

I have no intention of doing so, actually. Just poking fun at the whole Mary Sue conversation.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Yoda was a Mary Sue. Qui-Gon was a Mary Sue. Sebulba was a Mary Sue! Greedo was a Mary Sue! Jar-Jar was a Mary Sue! Mary Sues all around!

Pan wrote:

What the hell is a grey jedi?

Consult the Oracle!

[Krensky]

Let Me Google That For You is just about the epitome of passive aggressive forum douchbaggery KC, especially when the question was already answered.

I expected better from you.

[Aberzombie]

Misroi wrote:

I have no intention of doing so, actually. Just poking fun at the whole Mary Sue conversation.

I knew a Mary Sue once....

Or was that Mary Jane Rottencrotch......?

[Aberzombie]

Finally got my showtime set for tomorrow night. It's a 3D showing, which I've had recommended by folks at work. I'm indifferent, to tell the truth, but it was the only time that worked with our schedule.

[Black Dougal]

I saw it for the second time tonight. Without being super pumped up I actually found I enjoyed much more.

It still has flaws, but being relaxed about them allows me to soak up the fun

[Kobold Catgirl]

Krensky wrote:

Let Me Google That For You is just about the epitome of passive aggressive forum douchbaggery KC, especially when the question was already answered.

I expected better from you.

Aw, c'mon. It's the only way I get to make Element Animation Google references. Besides, Let Me Google That For You is pretty mild passive-aggression. I've always seen it as pretty playful, really. Not everybody sees it as a deadly insult. <-- Actual passive-aggression. Whoops.

This is the second time on this page you've complained about passive-aggression, you know. I was being sort of snarky, but I was doing it in a silly way, so I didn't think anybody would be offended.

[Hama]

Let me google that for you is, frankly, only insulting to a person who is unsure of themselves.

[baron arem heshvaun]

The Force Awakens deleted scenes included a scene showing Maz Kanata's link to The Force.

The instant bread ration Rey made wasn't CGI

[MeanDM]

I kinda got excited that instant bread was a real thing, until I actually read the link.

Maybe I should look into carbs anonymous. :)

[Aberzombie]

TONGIHT!
TONIGHT!
TONIGHT!
WHOA HOOOOO....

[Krensky]

Some get the riot gun, the zombie's over stimulated again!

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

Honestly? That bread effect was one of my favorite things about the movie (and I loved the movie).
It just felt so damn magical.

[Aberzombie]

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad shit. Or they're just idiots.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Weird. I 100% agree with Aberzombie. Well put, you brainsucking abomination.

[Aberzombie]

Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Weird. I 100% agree with Aberzombie. Well put, you brainsucking abomination.

Well, you're growing up, so you were bound to get smarter eventually.....

[BigNorseWolf]

As much as I liked the movie it was pretty similar to episode IV.

[Kobold Catgirl]

And I didn't even have to eat anybody else's brains to do it!

[Aberzombie]

Just wait until you hit puberty, then things will really start to change.

[Aberzombie]

Just a thought more on the movie, while it's fresh in my mind...I don't recall them saying where Snoke was sending his messages from.

Also, maybe it was me, but his face seemed...f&#!ed up...on one side. I mean, other than the fact he was some creepy looking alien dude. He kind of seemed to me to be the bastard love-child of the cave troll from Fellowship of the Ring and one of the monsters from the I am Legend movie.

[Krensky]

Aberzombie wrote:

... one of the monsters from the I am Legend movie.

Snoke looked nothing like Will Smith.

[Mark Hoover]

Krensky wrote:

Let Me Google That For You is just about the epitome of passive aggressive forum douchbaggery KC, especially when the question was already answered.

I expected better from you.

I didn't. He's a kobold for goodness sake. I feel like if I'd clicked on anything my computer would've sprayed Choking Powder in my face.

[Norman Osborne]

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

[Black Dougal]

Here's my take on the things..

as we know the force is linked to life force

as we all know, there is a circle of life, as demonstrated in the Lion King

and as we learned in Mass Effect, History repeats itself

So is it any surprise that the Force awakens echoes New Hope?

question is, does Rey pull a Sheppard and press the Red Button (my game, my cannon) and stop the Reapers er Empire from reappearing in 40 years

[Aberzombie]

Norman Osborne wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

And....so what?

It still has enough plot differentiations to make it a standout movie in it's own right. Besides, many of those plot points are elemental to most stories.

So I stand by my earlier statement.

[thejeff]

Aberzombie wrote:

Norman Osborne wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

And....so what?

It still has enough plot differentiations to make it a standout movie in it's own right. Besides, many of those plot points are elemental to most stories.

So I stand by my earlier statement.

One of the big differences is Finn. He doesn't really fit anyone from A New Hope. In a way he's the focus character, but not the hero. Maybe just because they're still trying to keep Rey's background mysterious, but we see most of the movie through him. He gets more of a character arc.

But unlike Rey, he's not really anyone special. He's only useful to the Rebels because he's got some insider knowledge of the base. He doesn't really shine in any of the fight sequences. He doesn't save the day.

It's not really clear at this point why he'd play a major role in the following movies. Unlike in A New Hope, where it made sense that the potential Jedi & natural pilot, the hotshot smuggler, and the Rebel princess would all be a big deal in anything that followed.

[Scott Betts]

Norman Osborne wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

Even if the list of similarities is substantial (and I grant you, it is), that doesn't make it a "rehash". You have to deliberately ignore the rest of the movie to come away with that take.

The movie has parallels with ANH, nothing more. It also has its fair share of perpendiculars.

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

Norman Osborne wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

I don't think Babylon 5 invented the term "planet killer." I know at the very least, Star Trek TOS had an episode about a planet killer weapon.

Also, you got some details wrong in that synopsis.

[thejeff]

Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

Norman Osborne wrote:

The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology).

I don't think Babylon 5 invented the term "planet killer." I know at the very least, Star Trek TOS had an episode about a planet killer weapon.

If anything, the Lensman series invented the term back in the '30s. With multiple examples. Including a "Sunbeam".

[Krensky]

The solar system as cathode ray tube was on the weak end.

Civilization is slamming relativistic antimatter planets together with the target between them by the end of the War.

[Lord Fyre]

Norman Osborne wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Finally got to see the movie. It was pretty good.

One thing I don't understand is those who say it was a pure re-hash of A New Hope. I saw elements of the original trilogy throughout, and some excellent homages.

A rehash. Those folks are smoking some bad s+@+. Or they're just idiots.

Droid escapes from the Empire/First Order carrying information that both the Empire/First Order and the Rebel Alliance/Resistance. It crashes on a desert planet, where it soon meets the hero of the story, Luke/Rey. This hero is found to be force sensitive. Through the Empire/First Order's efforts to recapture the droid, the hero meets the main villain, Darth Vader/Kylo Ren. The Rebel Alliance/Resistance learns of the existence of a planet-killer weapon (apologies to Babylon 5 for stealing their terminology). The hero's mentor, Obi-Wan/Han Solo is killed by the main villain. The hero confront's the main villain, and barely escapes with his/her life. Largely through the actions of the hero, the planet-killer weapon is destroyed.

I mean, cmon? They could have at least made Jakku into something other than a desert planet. Hell, they could have made it an ICE planet and at least stolen a note from ESB.

You forget that Poe played the role of Princess Lea (in that he was captured leading to an interrogation scene).