Hi all,
A friend and I are in a disagreement on how the leftover aspects of the Brilliant Planner feat works after meeting its gold/weight quota. Specifically the end of the feat.
"Once you have spent all the money in your brilliant plan fund or procured 20 pounds of objects with this feat, you cannot use the feat again until you replenish your brilliant plan fund."
What happens to the leftover gold if you use all the weight? What happens to the weight after you use all the gold? Does it just disappear into the ether, or does the left over stay as part of the next fund?
Thanks in advance.
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I read "replenish your brilliant plan fund." as completing resetting both values from zero, regardless of what was left over from the previous plan.
Surely you don't carry over weight allowance, as the weight allowance for your brilliant plan uses part of your carrying capacity.
Gold spent on setting it up is possibly spent on potential services, material that can spoil, and other stuff that would not be available or usable the next day.
Probably, one of the most useful things would be alchemist spellcasting services. An infusion would cost 10 gp x SL x CL and have weight very little.
If at the end of the day you have leftover money value and a bit of weight allowance, a CLW infusion will cost 10 gp. Endure elements the same, and the effect will last 24 hours. So you could pull out a few infusions to use up all the money and avoid the bitter taste of wasted money.
I read "replenish your brilliant plan fund." as completing resetting both values from zero, regardless of what was left over from the previous plan.
Surely you don't carry over weight allowance, as the weight allowance for your brilliant plan uses part of your carrying capacity.
Gold spent on setting it up is possibly spent on potential services, material that can spoil, and other stuff that would not be available or usable the next day.Probably, one of the most useful things would be alchemist spellcasting services. An infusion would cost 10 gp x SL x CL and have weight very little.
If at the end of the day you have leftover money value and a bit of weight allowance, a CLW infusion will cost 10 gp. Endure elements the same, and the effect will last 24 hours. So you could pull out a few infusions to use up all the money and avoid the bitter taste of wasted money.
Sorry for the delayed response. Thanks for the input, This is how I view it as well. Didn't even consider the Alchemist angle, which is actually pretty useful.
Not sure that spell casting services are legal. It specifies a mundane service, and spell casting including alchemists' extracts are magic, not mundane.
Not sure that spell casting services are legal. It specifies a mundane service, and spell casting including alchemists' extracts are magic, not mundane.
Could it be argued that since Alchemsits are not spell casters could we even use the spell casting services for this calculation to begin with?
Ah, well regardless using the leftover gold for potions that are needed is still valuable in and of itself, if not just a bit more expensive.
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Not sure that spell casting services are legal. It specifies a mundane service, and spell casting including alchemists' extracts are magic, not mundane.Could it be argued that since Alchemsits are not spell casters could we even use the spell casting services for this calculation to begin with?
Ah, well regardless using the leftover gold for potions that are needed is still valuable in and of itself, if not just a bit more expensive.
You aren't paying for the spellcasting services, you are paying for the infusion that is the effect of the spellcasting services.
To put it another way: the alchemist isn't coming to you to make the infusion where you are. Simply you are soo good that were able to predict what infusion you would need.Infusions have a negligeable cost, so pricing them as a spellcasting service seems reasonable.
Not sure that spell casting services are legal. It specifies a mundane service, and spell casting including alchemists' extracts are magic, not mundane.Could it be argued that since Alchemsits are not spell casters could we even use the spell casting services for this calculation to begin with?
Ah, well regardless using the leftover gold for potions that are needed is still valuable in and of itself, if not just a bit more expensive.
You aren't paying for the spellcasting services, you are paying for the infusion that is the effect of the spellcasting services.
To put it another way: the alchemist isn't coming to you to make the infusion where you are. Simply you are soo good that were able to predict what infusion you would need.Infusions have a negligeable cost, so pricing them as a spellcasting service seems reasonable.
but then he used the infusion before as well. so the duration might be limited then an infusion used at the end of the day.
Rather than losing all of the leftover gold it sounds reasonable to just spend it at something valuable but lightweight.
So you've managed to procure 19 lbs of items over a couple of days, leaving 185 gp in your brilliant plan fun. Luckily you knew you needed an I.O.U. note for 185 gp from Bob the trader. Or for some reason exactly 0,37 lbs of Mithral which as a Trade Good is sold at full price.
Rather than losing all of the leftover gold it sounds reasonable to just spend it at something valuable but lightweight.
So you've managed to procure 19 lbs of items over a couple of days, leaving 185 gp in your brilliant plan fun. Luckily you knew you needed an I.O.U. note for 185 gp from Bob the trader. Or for some reason exactly 0,37 lbs of Mithral which as a Trade Good is sold at full price.
I know that my interpretation isn't that detrimental, I just need to convince my friend of that. An alternative is also to just put in the amount you think you realistically need instead of the max you are allowed to.
I think you can use the leftovers on another day.
It says use once per day and that you can't use it if the plan fund is empty. You can use is once again after you have replenished it.
Therefore, I posit that my first statement is correct. :)
flint and steel cost 1 gp and weigh '-' if you got extra cash at end of day just buy enough and later sell for half
I think you can use the leftovers on another day.
It says use once per day and that you can't use it if the plan fund is empty. You can use is once again after you have replenished it.
Therefore, I posit that my first statement is correct. :)
The feat says that if you run out of funds OR weight then you need to replenish the fund to use it again. That implies to me at least that if one is emptied then both are gone.
Edit: unless you're arguing that you can use it multiple times? That isn't in contention, you can use it once per day until you run out of weight or funds. The question is what happens to any leftover weight and money if you use all of one or the other.
I think you can use the leftovers on another day.
It says use once per day and that you can't use it if the plan fund is empty. You can use is once again after you have replenished it.
Therefore, I posit that my first statement is correct. :)
The feat says that if you run out of funds OR weight then you need to replenish the fund to use it again. That implies to me at least that if one is emptied then both are gone.
Edit: unless you're arguing that you can use it multiple times? That isn't in contention, you can use it once per day until you run out of weight or funds. The question is what happens to any leftover weight and money if you use all of one or the other.
Ohh doh. I was arguing that.
I guess that way then the left over weight or gold is lost. I think that's fair. :)
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I think you can use the leftovers on another day.
It says use once per day and that you can't use it if the plan fund is empty. You can use is once again after you have replenished it.
Therefore, I posit that my first statement is correct. :)
The feat says that if you run out of funds OR weight then you need to replenish the fund to use it again. That implies to me at least that if one is emptied then both are gone.
Edit: unless you're arguing that you can use it multiple times? That isn't in contention, you can use it once per day until you run out of weight or funds. The question is what happens to any leftover weight and money if you use all of one or the other.
Ohh doh. I was arguing that.
I guess that way then the left over weight or gold is lost. I think that's fair. :)
S'all good! =P
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The feat is basically taking into account that your character may be smarter than you are. It is not some sort of magical storage it is allowing you to have foreseen the need for the item and to purchase it retroactively. Since the items you are carrying are not defined until you use them nothing prevents you from keeping any “left over” items.
Unless you completely drain either the weight or gold you can probably keep using it for small things. There are lots of items that have little or value that could still be useful. There are also plenty of valuable items that have little or no weight. How much does a rock cost, how much does a gem weigh? In reality the only things that will really need to be replenished is the gold. When you do replenish the fund, you could easily be trading out items you don’t think you will need for things you think you may have use for and paying any difference.
If you hit your weight limit for the day there is absolutely no reason why any remaining gold in the fund would just vanish. Replinish does NOT mean “restore from empty”, it just means “to restore or fill”. In other words, your remaining funds are inaccessible until the next time you spend a day within a settlement to resupply. A generous GM might permit you to use any remaining funds on services, or just refund any remainder to your coin purse, but by RAW those funds are simply unavailable. Nothing in the RAW says they are gone, just unusable until you replenish.
The feat offers flexibility with limitations, it isn’t flexibility with detriment. You only reduce the money in the fund as you actually use it.
Benefit: You can prepare for future contingencies without defining what those preparations are until they are relevant. As a part of this preparation, while in a settlement for at least 24 hours, you can take 8 hours and spend up to 50 gp per character level, which becomes your brilliant plan fund. While you have a brilliant plan pending, you are always treated as carrying 20 additional pounds of weight, even before you define your brilliant plan.
The feat defines your brilliant plan fund as the amount of gold you spend. The weight limitation is an additional aspect that you have to keep track of in addition to the fund. When you run out of either gold or weight you have to replenish the fund. One thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have to spend the maximum allowed, but the value of the items or services is limited by the amount of the fund.
But unless you have used the entire 20 lbs. nothing prevents you from pulling out a few gems on the last day before you replenish your fund. Just make sure to keep a small amount of weight unused and you don’t have to worry about losing the remaining gold.