Hardcover or PDFs?


Abomination Vaults


I'm finally coming over to second edition after holding off on it for so long and I heard the Abomination Vaults is the best AP for starting with 2e. However, with the hardcover coming out, I don't know if I should hold off until its release to grab it or just grab the 3 PDFs. Especially since I've heard nothing about if the hardcover has any updates to the campaign.

Just wondering which I should go for. As a side question, do I just need the Core book and Bestiary 1 for this AP or does it require some other books?


Nyaaarlathotep wrote:
As a side question, do I just need the Core book and Bestiary 1 for this AP or does it require some other books?

First your side question: this AP is no different than any other in that it assumes players continuoulsy buy all core books as they become available.

So this AP contains references to Bestiary 1 and 2, since those existed at that time.

Of course you don't need the actual Bestiaries for stats since those are available for free at Nethys.


Nyaaarlathotep wrote:
I'm finally coming over to second edition after holding off on it for so long and I heard the Abomination Vaults is the best AP for starting with 2e. However, with the hardcover coming out, I don't know if I should hold off until its release to grab it or just grab the 3 PDFs. Especially since I've heard nothing about if the hardcover has any updates to the campaign.

If you like and want a physical product to hold in your hands, the upcoming hardcover is your only options since the initial three-book print run is sold out.

If you prefer PDFs, there's no reason to wait. Just purchase the PDFs when you want.

It's possible Paizo will be able to fix some errors in time for the hardcover, but I would only expect the most obvious ones in that case, and at any rate I wouldn't count on it.

Since you have found your way to these discussion forums, you already have everything you need to handle the few problematic errors there are.


Nyaaarlathotep wrote:
I don't know if I should hold off until its release to grab it or just grab the 3 PDFs. Especially since I've heard nothing about if the hardcover has any updates to the campaign.

Current word is that there’s no new material.

Hmmm….that link is supposed to take you to Aaron Shanks August 29th post, but it doesn’t seem to be working. You’ll need to scroll down a little…

I heard somewhere I think that it might have some typo/grammar corrections but that there wouldn’t be any errata. I can’t find a link to that though.


Steve Geddes wrote:
Hmmm….that link is supposed to take you to Aaron Shanks August 29th post, but it doesn’t seem to be working. You’ll need to scroll down a little…

It sure is strange - the url is identical to how Paizo's forum references its own posts.

My only explanation is that the page loads comments dynamically. At the time the page is populated with comments, it is "too late", since the html anchor needs to be in place already when the page is loaded.

The exact same url does work once you are on the page. We just can't use it to "hot link" directly to a given comment.


Steve Geddes wrote:
Current word is that there’s no new material.

Just a heads-up.

While Aaron does say "My understanding is that this will be a straight reprint collection of the Adventure Path. There will not be any additional material. It’s the first time Paizo has done this."

...that does not necessarily discuss errata. "Additional material" could be interpreted as... well, new material.

Errata could be seen as new material. Or it could be seen as simply fixing old material :)


Yeah. See my last paragraph.


They're changing Mr Beak to have phantom pain @ 2nd level possibly, and not much else, AFAIK.

If you want physical, wait.

If you want pdfs, buy now. And alter Mr Beak yourself.

I'm almost finished running AV, and it's been really great.


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Here's hoping for a picture of Belcorra given how often her image is referenced (Maybe for the cover?) but no new material is no new material.


I got the Age of Ashes adventure path and I kinda wish I had gone digital. The issue is that I use a tv screen for my maps, but I can't find the actual maps from the book online. Had I grabbed the PDF, I could just project that in front of my players (cropping any that aren't full page), but now I have to go looking for maps or make my own. It'd be great if Paizo just had PDFs of the maps available for download here on the site.

So if you like to use a TV for your battle maps, this may help you decide.


Norse_Ulv wrote:

I got the Age of Ashes adventure path and I kinda wish I had gone digital. The issue is that I use a tv screen for my maps, but I can't find the actual maps from the book online. Had I grabbed the PDF, I could just project that in front of my players (cropping any that aren't full page), but now I have to go looking for maps or make my own. It'd be great if Paizo just had PDFs of the maps available for download here on the site.

So if you like to use a TV for your battle maps, this may help you decide.

A user on here called Narchy has made some pretty fantastic remakes of all the maps for this AP and some others. he might have done age of ashes, too.


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Billiam8817 wrote:
Norse_Ulv wrote:

I got the Age of Ashes adventure path and I kinda wish I had gone digital. The issue is that I use a tv screen for my maps, but I can't find the actual maps from the book online. Had I grabbed the PDF, I could just project that in front of my players (cropping any that aren't full page), but now I have to go looking for maps or make my own. It'd be great if Paizo just had PDFs of the maps available for download here on the site.

So if you like to use a TV for your battle maps, this may help you decide.

A user on here called Narchy has made some pretty fantastic remakes of all the maps for this AP and some others. he might have done age of ashes, too.

There's an Age of Ashes thread for community-created content with lots of great stuff from the community.

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