Intelligent undead and Intimidate / Demoralize


Rules Questions


I know undead traits make them immune to mind affecting/ fear, but what ghouls having a leader, Creatures from the shadow plane obeying others (Shadow spawn and Greater Shadows ect) or the brides of Dracula fearing their lord?
Also I think of Urgathoa and her minions, who seem to have a healthy fear for her....
Would this be strictly flavor/RP distinctives vs RAW?


I think this is a case where they may be immune to supernaturally induced fear but are perfectly capable of fearing for their unlives. As far as rules go, undead are not immune to fear, merely to mind-affecting effects. Intimidate is not MA, so it should work just fine.

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Undead are immune to morale effects, which includes fear effects


Fear for one's master could be in the form of respect or reverence, not necessarily out of being afraid or threatened. Respect might still be a morale effect, though.


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I'm not sure that RAW undead are immune to all effect of intimidation. Sure they can't be demoralized, but the way i read the rule it looks like they can still be coerced or influenced with the skill.

The way i justify it : Undead have no stress respond to the physiological/psychological effect of fear because their brain is dead meat. They can however still understand threat and ''fear'' for their existance. They just won't even act sluggish because od those fear.


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I should have checked the FAQ first.

Intimidate is mind-affecting. But immunity to involuntary reactions to emotions doesn't mean they can't still feel those emotions and act on them.


The difference is they can be afraid, but it doesn't affect them (say for example in the same way that someone with a functional adrenal response might). In effect, just as normal characters can be afraid without being shaken, an undead can be, but they don't get panicked (not to be confused with the condition) into executing their actions at lower efficiency or into knee-jerk running away.


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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

I should have checked the FAQ first.

Intimidate is mind-affecting. But immunity to involuntary reactions to emotions doesn't mean they can't still feel those emotions and act on them.

Ah, that's a shame, i felt like my interpretation made sense. Oh well, i'll probably still use it that way in my home game.

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