
thejeff |
I don't see how nu-TSR/GiantLands is going to end well from anyone's perspective.
Gamers who value innovation through new and interesting design were never interested in this product in the first place, and weren't going to buy it.
Gamers who only play OSR-style D&D retro-clones won't be interested because it's not a d20 resolution system and it's throwing out some basic assumptions of a fantasy game (even if they're merely renaming them).
Inclusive retro-gamers might have been interested in this product until Gygax the Lesser started whining about how this game was for middle-aged white men who are still angry about bullied for being nerds when they were kids.
And the alt-right grognards who are angry middle-aged white men who want to keep out everyone else are now angry at nu-TSR because the new PR guy is trying to backpedal to appear to be more inclusive (even as the new PR guy fails miserably at it.)
I see absolutely no market for this thing.
"New PR guy"? What new PR guy?
The tweets announcing Michael's existence have vanished.
Quark Blast |
Wow. Yesterday, James M. Ward said of nu-TSR's "GiantLands" RPG that it's "the first fantasy/apocalyptic rpg on the market."
Which is a weird comment considering that he was the co-designer of Gamma World, which was billed way back in 1978 as "post-apocalyptic science-fantasy roleplaying".
And it was the original pre-WotC TSR that published the "fantasy post-apocalyptic campaign setting" Dark Sun back in 1991.
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Not looking for an argument; merely pointing out, with your own words, that Mr. Ward hasn't necessarily perjured himself*. Maybe the game is set during the apocalyptic times and not after them?
* Except perhaps on the idea of "innovation". Everything since TSR was 10 y/o has been something of a rehash in regards to mechanics. Like how many ways can you roll dice?

Limeylongears |

Haladir wrote:Wow. Yesterday, James M. Ward said of nu-TSR's "GiantLands" RPG that it's "the first fantasy/apocalyptic rpg on the market."
Which is a weird comment considering that he was the co-designer of Gamma World, which was billed way back in 1978 as "post-apocalyptic science-fantasy roleplaying".
And it was the original pre-WotC TSR that published the "fantasy post-apocalyptic campaign setting" Dark Sun back in 1991.
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Not looking for an argument; merely pointing out, with your own words, that Mr. Ward hasn't necessarily perjured himself*. Maybe the game is set during the apocalyptic times and not after them?
Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?

Haladir |

Quark Blast wrote:Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?Haladir wrote:Wow. Yesterday, James M. Ward said of nu-TSR's "GiantLands" RPG that it's "the first fantasy/apocalyptic rpg on the market."
Which is a weird comment considering that he was the co-designer of Gamma World, which was billed way back in 1978 as "post-apocalyptic science-fantasy roleplaying".
And it was the original pre-WotC TSR that published the "fantasy post-apocalyptic campaign setting" Dark Sun back in 1991.
....
Not looking for an argument; merely pointing out, with your own words, that Mr. Ward hasn't necessarily perjured himself*. Maybe the game is set during the apocalyptic times and not after them?
I'm a HUGE Mörk Borg fan. That is, indeed, the premise of the default setting.

Freehold DM |

To be fair, the goal was $100. And the Kickstarter was from 11/29/19 to 12/14/19. That's 16 days. Why such a low goal? I can't really say. Except without the dollar figures included "Our Giantlands Kickstarter was funded at 8000%" sounds really good.
I've heard about people pulling that one before, it makes me step carefully on kickstarter.

Quark Blast |
Limeylongears wrote:I'm a HUGE Mörk Borg fan. That is, indeed, the premise of the default setting.Quark Blast wrote:Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?Haladir wrote:Wow. Yesterday, James M. Ward said of nu-TSR's "GiantLands" RPG that it's "the first fantasy/apocalyptic rpg on the market."
Which is a weird comment considering that he was the co-designer of Gamma World, which was billed way back in 1978 as "post-apocalyptic science-fantasy roleplaying".
And it was the original pre-WotC TSR that published the "fantasy post-apocalyptic campaign setting" Dark Sun back in 1991.
....
Not looking for an argument; merely pointing out, with your own words, that Mr. Ward hasn't necessarily perjured himself*. Maybe the game is set during the apocalyptic times and not after them?
That answers my challenge I suppose but I wonder which game will end up with more players by this time next year - Mörk Borg or GiantLands?

dirtypool |
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Well since Mörk Borg exists on shelves and has an existing audience of OSR players, and GiantLands has yet to be released and seems only to be marketing itself to toxically masculine conservative players who are either unquestioningly convinced of a games "historical" impact or who lack an understanding of the 50 year history of the hobby -- I suspect it will be Mörk Borg.

thejeff |
The tsr_games twitter account is gone. Dinehart's is back though. Scrubbed clean, but now he's breaking up with WotC.
The drama continues. Still no video explanation from Ernie, nor word from Michael. :)
nuTSR's website has also been rebranded to "Wonderfilled, Inc" (or actually Wonderfiled, until they correct the typo), which was I think branding for the company originally making Giantlands.

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Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?
I am quoting this only because, yes, as others have said that's correct but also because OMG Mork Borg is easily one of my new favorite RPGs if ONLY for the aesthetic of it and how disgustingly beautiful the books are.

Limeylongears |

Limeylongears wrote:Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?I am quoting this only because, yes, as others have said that's correct but also because OMG Mork Borg is easily one of my new favorite RPGs if ONLY for the aesthetic of it and how disgustingly beautiful the books are.
I thought it was a bit too artistical when I saw pics of it, but I've kind of changed my mind - I am tempted, since it isn't hugely expensive, and does look like it'd be fun to play, judging by what folks have said, eye-watering graphic design or no.

dirtypool |
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At this point it certainly seems that this thread no longer has a purpose. Hard to talk about TSR being back when it no longer is.
In fact we've gone from having a TSR, to having too many TSR's, to having no TSR's.
Movies over folks - roll the credits.

Fergie |

I feel like this whole episode is a good reminder of how much things have improved since the formation of tabletop RPG. While those original years look great through rose colored and foggy glasses, I would take Paizo over TSR any day of the week. It is also a reminder of how much amazing indy content is out there. I can't wait to check out Mork Borg, even if just for the cool art style.
Thanks to everyone in this thread for great comments and links and stuff!

Freehold DM |
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Limeylongears wrote:Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?I am quoting this only because, yes, as others have said that's correct but also because OMG Mork Borg is easily one of my new favorite RPGs if ONLY for the aesthetic of it and how disgustingly beautiful the books are.
I would like to know more.

Haladir |
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Themetricsystem wrote:I would like to know more.Limeylongears wrote:Isn't that the premise behind Mork Borg, or have I got that wrong?I am quoting this only because, yes, as others have said that's correct but also because OMG Mork Borg is easily one of my new favorite RPGs if ONLY for the aesthetic of it and how disgustingly beautiful the books are.
I just started a Mörk Borg discussion thread.

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I closed the thread. There's so many places other places online to discuss this topic, paizo.com doesn't need to be one of them.
Edit to clarify: the topic I am referring to is the recent TSR stuff this thread started with. Please feel free to enjoy discussing Mörk Borg (Thank you Haladir for creating a thread for it).