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Now that the content for the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide is making the rounds across the internet, what are some really cool character concepts and rules combinations you've come up with and are excited to play?

For me, I will be rebuilding an old 1E character, the Raven King, as a fleshwarp beastkin shadowdancer (not sure yet if he will be a fighter, rogue, or swashbuckler). I am astounded at how well these new options allow me to represent all of the crazy eclectic abilities of my old character, from being an unnaturally created being, to utilizing shadow power, to transforming into a raven monster.


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I might also try a tiny sprite giant instinct barbarian with Giant Stature so that I can go from Tiny to Large (eventually Huge) in the time it takes me to say, "You're not bigger than me, I'm bigger than you!" XD

Or perhaps a sprite inventor that rides around in Medium invented armor as though they were a mecha pilot battling a world full of "kaiju." XD

Or dwarf beastkin brothers styled after Rocksteady and Bebop.

Or a fleshwarp beastkin character played as a chimera. "Ed-ward... That person...Ed-ward. Big brother...Ed. Can we play now? Can we play now?"

So many fun ideas!


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My eldest daughter is going to have a lot of fun riding a Corgi.


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Seaweed leshy played as Ol Greg from the show, Mighty Boosh.

A kitsune rogue criminal with alchemist dedication could be played as Crack Fox from the same!

Ravingdork wrote:
Gortle wrote:
Or a fleshwarp beastkin character played as a chimera. "Ed-ward... That person...Ed-ward. Big brother...Ed. Can we play now? Can we play now?"
My eldest daughter is going to have a lot of fun riding a Corgi.

Oof.


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I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.


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Bein Brennil wrote:
Seaweed leshy played as Ol Greg from the show, Mighty Boosh.

My first thought for a seaweed leshy was Sigmund of Sigmund and the Sea Monsters. I'm old.


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Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.

I imagined the leshy gunslinger, with the glide, suffering from a rifle recoil and flying away to new horizons.


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I for one am already looking for an opportunity to play a Sprite. As a melee investigator of course, because if I'm not causing serious problems for myself by choosing to play a tiny sized character then what's even the point?


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I was thinking about an oread kobold with scales that look like silver, gold, and platinum that has bursts of crystals coming from various part of his body, including replacing one of his eyes. He only just recently escaped from a red dragon who had captured him to make him the greatest treasure in the dragon's hoard. Haven't decided on a class yet.

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Sounds like a Gemsoul lineage. I would play a Battledancer Swashbuckler I think, or a Bard.


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Ifrit flame oracle looks really good, having an unarmed attack that deals fire damage to set up incendiary aura persistent fire damage is great. As is the fire terrain metamagic feat.

I'm not sure of the best way to use it yet, but I feel like one of the biggest game changers is the tengu fan. Having a feat that allows racial innate spells (on a race that has quite a few) to scale off of either spell dc or class dc, whichever is higherw, is huge for most martials without casting.


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HumbleGamer wrote:
Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.
I imagined the leshy gunslinger, with the glide, suffering from a rifle recoil and flying away to new horizons.

Nah. They are firmly rooted in their firing stance.


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Hmm... lots of these look interesting, and am very happy to see some versatile heritages that seem to give something other than Vision+ as part of their initial heritage.

Some initial ideas after a quick look.

Kitsune Beastkin Wild Druid - I love shapechanging!

Kitsune Ifrit - Literal Firefox

Leshy Beastkin - Simultaneously both plant and animal

Sprite Cavalier - Because I need to find a way to get Cavalier Charge to work with a Corgi Mount.

Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.

A Leshy Gunslinger makes me think that Leshy need a Tumbleweed Heritage to go full-in on Western tropes...


Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
HumbleGamer wrote:
Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.
I imagined the leshy gunslinger, with the glide, suffering from a rifle recoil and flying away to new horizons.
Nah. They are firmly rooted in their firing stance.

I see what you did there. :)


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The most amusing thing about the sprite giant barbarian is not that you can go from tiny to large (eventually huge) in one action- it's that you are constantly carrying around a weapon sized for a large creature despite being tiny.

So you have a 9" tall pixie carrying a 9' long polearm, somehow.

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Charon Onozuka wrote:
Leshy Beastkin - Simultaneously both plant and animal

Lots of excellent ideas, but I will raise you one on this :

Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian. To be mineral, plant and animal all together.

And with Sorcerer MC, you can add any additional dash you might want, from abomination to the planes.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:

The most amusing thing about the sprite giant barbarian is not that you can go from tiny to large (eventually huge) in one action- it's that you are constantly carrying around a weapon sized for a large creature despite being tiny.

So you have a 9" tall pixie carrying a 9' long polearm, somehow.

So you're saying... the time has come...


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The Raven Black wrote:
Charon Onozuka wrote:
Leshy Beastkin - Simultaneously both plant and animal

Lots of excellent ideas, but I will raise you one on this :

Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian. To be mineral, plant and animal all together.

And with Sorcerer MC, you can add any additional dash you might want, from abomination to the planes.

The Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian should have a military or noble background, so that they can be the very model of a modern major general.


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Ventnor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Charon Onozuka wrote:
Leshy Beastkin - Simultaneously both plant and animal

Lots of excellent ideas, but I will raise you one on this :

Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian. To be mineral, plant and animal all together.

And with Sorcerer MC, you can add any additional dash you might want, from abomination to the planes.

The Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian should have a military or noble background, so that they can be the very model of a modern major general.

I can just imagine the introduction of such a character.

So they call you "Incarnate?"

Yeah.

So, what are you an incarnate of, exactly?

E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

X'D


PossibleCabbage wrote:

The most amusing thing about the sprite giant barbarian is not that you can go from tiny to large (eventually huge) in one action- it's that you are constantly carrying around a weapon sized for a large creature despite being tiny.

So you have a 9" tall pixie carrying a 9' long polearm, somehow.

Ok well it will take a bag of holding to work. A small price to pay. All the battle form builds do work fine without any special equipment.


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An Ifrit leahy bard. A Red Hot Chili Pepper.

An Oread Kitsune Winter Witch. A Stone Cold Fox.

An Ifrit Kobold Dragon Desciple. It's Charmander!

A t-rex beastkin Iruxi. Maximum dinosaur.

A Dhampir Fleshwarp Abberation sorcerer. ??? (There isn't a phrase to describe this horror.)


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Ravingdork wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Charon Onozuka wrote:
Leshy Beastkin - Simultaneously both plant and animal

Lots of excellent ideas, but I will raise you one on this :

Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian. To be mineral, plant and animal all together.

And with Sorcerer MC, you can add any additional dash you might want, from abomination to the planes.

The Oread Leshy Animal Barbarian should have a military or noble background, so that they can be the very model of a modern major general.

I can just imagine the introduction of such a character.

So they call you "Incarnate?"

Yeah.

So, what are you an incarnate of, exactly?

E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

X'D

I was thinking something more like:

"I am the very model of a modern major general
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
I know the kings of Taldor and I quote the fights historical
From Thassilon to Cheliax in order categorical."


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Human oread fury barbarian mercenary with the Treacherous Earth feat = Orson from Record of Lodoss War

Leap and slash with your greatsword, destroying a large section of the earth as you do so. XD

Ventnor wrote:

I was thinking something more like:

"I am the very model of a modern major general
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
I know the kings of Taldor and I quote the fights historical
From Thassilon to Cheliax in order categorical."

Sounds like a rap battle.


Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
HumbleGamer wrote:
Dirge Of Hubris wrote:
I've been steadily creating a Leshy for every situation so I'm mad hype for more options. Everything from a Leshy Gunslinger (Johhny Silverseed,) Leshy Draconic Barbarian (Snapped Dragon,) to Leshy Armor Inventor (The Robotanist) who is a walking terrarium.
I imagined the leshy gunslinger, with the glide, suffering from a rifle recoil and flying away to new horizons.
Nah. They are firmly rooted in their firing stance.

Marvelous!


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It needs three, but a party of,

1. Orcish Barbarian
2. Aasimar Sprite Cleric. "Don't smash."
3. Tiefling Sprite Bard. "Nah beb, smash."


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Finally a reasonable use for Animal Rage. It makes your sprite Animal Barbarian size medium or large to get around the reach problem.

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Perpdepog wrote:

It needs three, but a party of,

1. Orcish Barbarian
2. Aasimar Sprite Cleric. "Don't smash."
3. Tiefling Sprite Bard. "Nah beb, smash."

Indeed, it seems there are no limits to the number of Tiny creatures that can share a square with a Small or Medium creature.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:

It needs three, but a party of,

1. Orcish Barbarian
2. Aasimar Sprite Cleric. "Don't smash."
3. Tiefling Sprite Bard. "Nah beb, smash."

Indeed, it seems there are no limits to the number of Tiny creatures that can share a square with a Small or Medium creature.

Just remember, the GameMastery Guide strongly discourages allowing PCs to ride humanoid characters, especially other PCs.

I'm sure there's good reason for that...

...somewhere.


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From the sprite page they showed on known direction it looks like the rule is: tiny characters can ride other characters, but both characters spend an action every round to maintain this (to either balance, or hang on.)


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
From the sprite page they showed on known direction it looks like the rule is: tiny characters can ride other characters, but both characters spend an action every round to maintain this (to either balance, or hang on.)

Ooh. :)


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Someone noticed and pointed out to me in the AMA, that Kitsune Foxfire currently works with Flurry of Blows, which is interesting since it's ranged.


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The-Magic-Sword wrote:
Someone noticed and pointed out to me in the AMA, that Kitsune Foxfire currently works with Flurry of Blows, which is interesting since it's ranged.

Both leshies and goblins also get ranged unarmed attacks via ancestry feats, and Monks themselves can get Wind Stance which gets them a class-specific ranged unarmed attack, so Paizo probably doesn't think it's too powerful.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:
From the sprite page they showed on known direction it looks like the rule is: tiny characters can ride other characters, but both characters spend an action every round to maintain this (to either balance, or hang on.)

They also both use the lower initiative rolled.


Gaulin wrote:

Ifrit flame oracle looks really good, having an unarmed attack that deals fire damage to set up incendiary aura persistent fire damage is great. As is the fire terrain metamagic feat.

I'm not sure of the best way to use it yet, but I feel like one of the biggest game changers is the tengu fan. Having a feat that allows racial innate spells (on a race that has quite a few) to scale off of either spell dc or class dc, whichever is higherw, is huge for most martials without casting.

I also think a Sylph Smokesoul Flame Oracle could be fun for the bonus on Concealed.


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Ifrit Leshy = Peppers
Rimesoul (?) Leshy = Mint
Undine Leshy = Melons
Smokesoul Leshy = Mesquite
Sylph Leshy = Dandelion
Oread Leshy = Coconut?

Unlimited Leshies


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It is a couple weeks before I can investigate how practical this is, but an Azarketi Beastkin could make an interesting amphibious combination if the Azarketi ancestry works right.

I was working on converting an existing PF1 Kitsune PC of mine and was intrigued by the idea of a Kitsune Undine, even though by her backstory she was far more obviously of the Frozen Wind heritage. Another intriguing option I considered would be a Kitsune Beastkin with the Critter Shape feat, but I dropped that option when I realized that this character already has access to the Pest Form spell.


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Just got my copy! XD

So many glorious options! O.O


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I think a Riftmarked Fleshwarp is a good fit for some horrific, eldritch body horror.


Gaulin wrote:

Ifrit flame oracle looks really good, having an unarmed attack that deals fire damage to set up incendiary aura persistent fire damage is great. As is the fire terrain metamagic feat.

Holy s@*+ thats nice i havent even thought of that. pretty sweet combo.

Liminal Fetchling should also work well for flame oracle. Since you can't prevent the concealed condition (so ifrits fire sight wouldnt work) caused by your curse reducing it from 5 to 3 seems like a good idea.


I want to try a flurry ranger human/suli with elemental assault feat line. The idea is to use a longsword (main hand for Doubling rings), a shortsword (off hand), a gauntlet (off hand) and shurikens. When I need to attack at distance I can use shurikens dropping the shortsword, if I need to go back to melee, I still have the gauntlet to benefit from doubling rings and twin takedown.

If you need to gain access to shurikens you should be able to do it through unconventional weaponry at 3 or 5, if not, you can take Hunted Shot.

Other ideas I had just for the visuals are a lotus leshy wielding a katana (problably a fighter) and an owl beastkin with pebble glasses.


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I am thinking that the Fleshwarp ancestry in combination with the Undine heritage could be used to make a good approximation of a Cecaelia.


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Candlejake wrote:
Liminal Fetchling should also work well for flame oracle. Since you can't prevent the concealed condition (so ifrits fire sight wouldnt work) caused by your curse reducing it from 5 to 3 seems like a good idea.

That won't work sadly. The rules say, "You can't benefit from effects that would allow you to ignore or mitigate this concealment, as normal for effects of an oracular curse."


So, here's kind of a cool idea. An orc wizard whose bonded item is a painted-on warmask consisting of a whole lot of arcane sigils.


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roquepo wrote:
I want to try a flurry ranger human/suli with elemental assault feat line.

Or you could go Beastkin to have a furry ranger. ;)


Ventnor wrote:
So, here's kind of a cool idea. An orc wizard whose bonded item is a painted-on warmask consisting of a whole lot of arcane sigils.

Kind of a re-do of the PF1E's Scarred Witchdoctor, which sounds pretty cool.

Or, for a less evil and edgetacular take, you could make your orc a member of The Magaambya and turn that warmask into their familiar.


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Ifrit Witch or Witch Dedication for that sweet sweet Elemental Betrayal + Charred Remains Fireball (or Sunburst at higher levels) combo. The wording of its Hazardous effect specifies that it deals the Fire damage for each square moved through as well, so you better hope you're not Large or you'll have to move 40 squares of Hazardous to leave a Fireball centred on you (as the area of the spell includes vertical squares and large creatures are made up of eight squares, meaning 5ft move takes you through eight squares).

Given that this would be an absurd 200 damage for just a Large creature to leave the area, it is probably more reasonable to rule that the Hazardous only applies for every 5 feet the creature moves rather than every square. Still brutally strong with Elemental Betrayal though.

If your party can manage to combo it with Wish-Twisted Form (from the very thematically appropriate Geniekin bloodline, Ifrit Sorcerer with a Witch Dedication here I come), and it doesn't crit succeed, then for at least the next round it's taking 10 damage per 5ft if it wants to move.

Obviously if the Hazardous becomes painful enough then most creatures will just choose not to move while you sustain Elemental Betrayal on them, and it is only once per day.


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From the Azarketi Ancestry Web Supplement, I can see that the Paizo folks considered the PF1 version of this ancestry to be underpowered, as they are more capable when converted to PF2.

For example, in PF1, a Gillman could take the Submerged alternate racial trait to gain low-light vision, at the cost of reducing their time out of the water from 24 hours to 12 hours. In PF2, Azarketi already have low-light vision by default.

I faced an interesting dilemma when trying to convert a PF1 cohort with the Throwback and Taskmaster alternate racial traits into PF2. The first question I faced was whether he should be an Azarketi or a Human, as having a swim speed and being able to breathe water are defining characteristics of an Azarketi, and a Throwback Gillman lacks those abilities.

So the easiest conversion is to make him a Human with the Merchant Background, with his only non-human feature being non-functional gill slits on his neck. In PF1, he is a Medium with the Master with several item crafting feats. In PF2, I can simply make him a Monk, as he does not need a caster level to be a competent crafter of magic items.

An alternative is to make him an Azarketi with the Mistbreath heritage, which would mean that he was probably close to death by suffocation when initially rescued from captivity (but pretty safe thereafter as he would have had no problem wetting his gills from a waterskin thereafter). He could take Alghollthu Bound as his initial feat and then gain access to Human feats with the Adopted Ancestry (Human) feat at 3rd level. The main problem with this approach is that his ability to function in the water is a bit too good.


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My new backup for a planescape campaign I'm in (that's currently on hold but will be starting again soon) is a Strix champion (maybe throw aasimar in there) reflavored as a valkyrie.


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Gisher wrote:
roquepo wrote:
I want to try a flurry ranger human/suli with elemental assault feat line.
Or you could go Beastkin to have a furry ranger. ;)

As a redditor pointed out some days ago, it could be a ratfolk beastkin that can turn into 4 or 5 versions of the same rat for the ultimate Furry Ranger.

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