Yep, for the exact reasons you outlined.
You can even Intimidate something that is immune to Fear effects.
To be clear, "Yep" is replying to "Can you demoralize undead and constructs?" and not the title of the thread.
I would not begrudge a GM that ruled that both the shaken condition and intimidate are mind-affecting. But as the rules are written, neither currently is. A boon to anyone focusing on demoralizing, that's for sure.
It really does feel like an oversight.
I found on my new demoralize build character that I'm using it more on enemies vulnerable to mind affecting effects just out of reflex.
Intimidate not being labeled as mind-affecting has always struck me as an oversight in 3E that's been grandfathered in ever since. I treat it as a mind-affecting fear effect in my own games.
While I tend to agree that it seems like an oversight, in game terms it isn't that much of a problem. Everybody should have a healthy concern for a really threatening individual.
(Full disclosure, I have not one but two intimidate-based Starfinder Society characters who would be adversely affected by any change to this rule)
Personally I find undead immunity to mind-affecting effects more troublesome. Most of them have minds, so...
I'd retire my witchwarper if they change this.
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While I tend to agree that it seems like an oversight, in game terms it isn't that much of a problem. Everybody should have a healthy concern for a really threatening individual.
(Full disclosure, I have not one but two intimidate-based Starfinder Society characters who would be adversely affected by any change to this rule)
Personally I find undead immunity to mind-affecting effects more troublesome. Most of them have minds, so...
Yeah, I think a bigger problem is undead having a blanket mind affecting immunity. It it was limited to mindless creatures only (or specific creatures due to myth/legend) then it would be better. But a blanket immunity for such a common creature type makes it really sucks.
I'd retire my witchwarper if they change this.
Can't tell if this is an indictment of the Witchwarper, or a solid reason to avoid changing intimidate.
As for undead mind affecting immunity, fully agreed. It feels wrong.
If it was a intelligent undead, sure but I can't see how it would work on a Zombie.
Personally I would have to consider it a fear effect for save benefits and such.
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This is why PF2E making the Mindless trait the defence against mind-affecting, instead of the undead type, is a huge improvement and something that should have been done years ago as an errata to both PF1 and SF.
Its really low-hanging fruit for a house rule. Don't think it's the kind of thing that'll get errata'd.
Oh, there's pretty close to zero chance that it ever would be errataed.
When I said "should have been" I didn't mean for anyone to read it as "will be".
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I have house ruled that the undead immunity to mind-affecting effects only applies if the undead has an INT of - (no score). Anything with an INT score indicates to me it has a mind and is subject to mind-affecting effects.