RAW, Ancient Elf's bonus archetype dedication feat has to be a multiclass archetype dedication feat. However, the more general archetype dedication feats didn't exist when that was written. There were, to my knowledge, only multiclass dedication feats and faction dedication feats. Thematically and mechanically, it seems to me that selecting one of the new archetypes would fit. Is anyone aware of any updated info on this? Thanks!
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It's intentional future proofing. They knew the other feats would exist, especially because LOWG and LOCG came out like, immediately after. It's Multiclass Dedication only, but you can always ask your GM to relax that if you want.
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Yeah, it's not an oversight. It's intended to be limited in scope.
When ancient elf first appeared people were in uproar that it was too powerful. Now however we can see that it will cut you off from the sweet spot of a lot of archetypes because you can't take them with early feats anymore.
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It says multiclassing because there will be classes printed after "Ancient Elf" became a thing, each of which will have a multiclass dedication feat.
It was never the intention of the heritage to let people grab a non-multiclass dedication, as those did exist before the Ancient Elf (in the Lost Omens World Guide, which predated the Lost Omens Character Guide by several months.)
If you are interested in characters getting into archetypes ASAP, it's better to talk to your GM to consider the "free archetype" variant than trying to make a specific heritage do something it was not supposed to do.
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As said by others general archetype dedications existed before and in the same book that ancient elf came in. It isn't an oversight.
Interactions with stuff like Eldritch trickster however...
As said by others general archetype dedications existed before and in the same book that ancient elf came in. It isn't an oversight.
Interactions with stuff like Eldritch trickster however...
Oh no, don't start that up again!
Thanks folks! Appreciate your input! I'll see if the GM wants to relax it, as mentioned. In case anybody was curious, I'm afraid I'm not trying to do anything interesting (OP). It's just a matter of prerequisites not lining up and one of the APG archetypes has a lower prerequisite and offers the feats I was after.
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As said by others general archetype dedications existed before and in the same book that ancient elf came in. It isn't an oversight.
Interactions with stuff like Eldritch trickster however...
Oh no, don't start that up again!
Thanks folks! Appreciate your input! I'll see if the GM wants to relax it, as mentioned. In case anybody was curious, I'm afraid I'm not trying to do anything interesting (OP). It's just a matter of prerequisites not lining up and one of the APG archetypes has a lower prerequisite and offers the feats I was after.
Yeah definitely RAW I don't believe it was an oversight. If one of my players wanted to do it though, I'd likely allow it as long as it didn't seem to be overly cheesy. (Which is of course very subjective).
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As a GM I'd really rather just give everybody free archetypes instead of making a strong incentive to pick a particular heritage of a particular ancestry.
a lot of non-multilass archetypes would break level based restrictions, like giving Expert proficiencies from level 1 and etc.
Plus, a lot of them directly offer feat equivalents of different classes (like dual slice and etc).
At best, you're getting them 1 level quicker but that is the point of the ability: to get a feat 1 level before you should. I'd argue trained in simple weapons and martial weapons or trained in light, medium, and heavy armor have more impact on your 1st level than Expert in a skill.
Yep. Similar restrictions apply to the ancestry feat Multitalented. The terms are quite specific.
You've learned to split your focus between multiple classes with ease. You gain a 2nd-level multiclass dedication feat, even if you normally couldn't take another dedication feat until you take more feats from your current archetype.
It's cause MCDs are pretty weak outside of getting a couple extra trained skills, whereas the Archetypes can be very good even with just the entry feat. I also feel like the MCDs are about the same power level as a level 1 feat, something I don't mind someone getting early, but the Archetype feats tend to be on the stronger end of level 2 feats (I feel free expert in a skill is very strong as there are very few other ways to get that on most PCs).
It's cause MCDs are pretty weak outside of getting a couple extra trained skills, whereas the Archetypes can be very good even with just the entry feat. I also feel like the MCDs are about the same power level as a level 1 feat, something I don't mind someone getting early, but the Archetype feats tend to be on the stronger end of level 2 feats (I feel free expert in a skill is very strong as there are very few other ways to get that on most PCs).
Esp as it frees you up to take an extra skill at expert at level 2.