We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?
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We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?
Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
In any event, while we don't have current plans for them involving another Adventure Path, they do get a few pages in Lost Omens Legends, and there'll be a little bit more about them in the upcoming Absalom book.
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I'd be up for the anti-Belismarius AP some time down the line. I'd rather see several others occur first, however. I mean, the anti-Razimir AP has been waiting a lot longer, as has an AP about overthrowing the Grey Gardeners, or the one about becoming a Linnorm King (though that last one could have overlap...), or several other good and obvious AP possibilities that do not directly involve the Runelords as their primary point.
I think the most interesting role for Sorshen in the near future would be as a 'behind the scenes' (not necessarily from the PCs, just the world at large) patron for PCs involved in either Belkzen, stopping the Whispering Tyrant, or both.
An AP focusing on (probably mostly) Orc or Half Orc PCs working for/with Ardax Whitehair would be really interesting, and could easily involve Sorshen helping out discreetly at some point...
We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
In any event, while we don't have current plans for them involving another Adventure Path, they do get a few pages in Lost Omens Legends, and there'll be a little bit more about them in the upcoming Absalom book.
I know I'm curious to see what kind of socio-political impact Sorshen's return will have on the other inner sea nations. A mythic spellcasting npc with a +41 bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate is a world changing level event waiting to happen.
While I am personally interested in the runelords until their story comes to a full conclusion. However I have seen that a lot of PF players are Varisia'ed and Runelord'ed out.
I'm interested, mainly because I've never had an opportunity to play through any of 1e's Adventure Paths.
I am very interested in checking in with the last Runelords. New Thassilon is too interesting an idea to ignore. At the same time, as Deadmanwalking said, there are a few plot ideas that have been waiting for quite a while. We haven't had an Andoran AP yet, or one focused on the Magaambya, and I'd love to see one set in Arcadia.
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I am very interested in checking in with the last Runelords. New Thassilon is too interesting an idea to ignore. At the same time, as Deadmanwalking said, there are a few plot ideas that have been waiting for quite a while. We haven't had an Andoran AP yet, or one focused on the Magaambya, and I'd love to see one set in Arcadia.
Yeah, I'm interested in all those, too. My list was in no way intended to be exhaustive.
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I don't think I wpuld be terribly interested in a full AP, but a module seems reasonable.We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
In any event, while we don't have current plans for them involving another Adventure Path, they do get a few pages in Lost Omens Legends, and there'll be a little bit more about them in the upcoming Absalom book.
Maybe as one of the new 3 part APs?
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We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
In any event, while we don't have current plans for them involving another Adventure Path, they do get a few pages in Lost Omens Legends, and there'll be a little bit more about them in the upcoming Absalom book.
I can definitely say I'm good on the Runelords myself for quite some time. They're cool, but they had a lot of focus in PF1! I'd rather have Belimarius and Sorshen exist and be fleshed out as setting fixtures for a while, rather than rush into doing something with them again.
As a newer PF fan, I have just about zero interest in more Varisia and more Runelords.
We know the Belimarius is still out there and her city-state is on Golarion now, and also she and Sorshen are enemies. Will we get another AP or something about the fight between them? Also is it possible Sorshen will go all the way and become CG eventually?Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
In any event, while we don't have current plans for them involving another Adventure Path, they do get a few pages in Lost Omens Legends, and there'll be a little bit more about them in the upcoming Absalom book.
After playing through Rise, and running Return in 2e at the moment, I can say with absolute certainty I would LOVE to see more Sorshen. I may have ordered a Sihedron pendant or two. >_>
Tying her in to helping Oprak and Belkzen make their place in the new era of Golarion post-TG would be amazing, especially if we see it as her own way of changing the public perception of her along with the marginalized ancestries. She'd be an amazing background patron for a foray into Belkzen, functioning maybe similar to Martella Lotheed in War for the Crown, important in getting things rolling and continuing to support from afar, sometimes checking in, would be a great way to flesh her out without focusing on her solely.
Belimarius can sit in the corner and be jealous, imo. Let her be the villain for an Ulfen-focused AP, with Estrid and the Thira Ash-Eyes functioning as central NPCs, maybe tying into some post-Age of Ashes regional politics, and maybe all leading up to something big with the Mordant Spire and the return of some ancient Azlanti/Thassilonian gods?
Just... a thought.
Just... some ideas. >_>
Yeah, I'd like the Runelords (and the region) to lay fallow for awhile until several story threads converged. There's too much fertile territory elsewhere that warrants further attention.
Is that something folks would be interested in? There's a perception that we've done enough with the Runelords storyline... if that's not the case, let us know!
I would love for them to feature in an AP as powerful influences or something to consider. But I don't really want an AP focused on them as villains again.
I would love to see more AP's showing the influence that powerful villains or even powerful figures, have on the world in general (directly and indirectly) without them actually having to be the primary villain or be stated up as something to be defeated.
That is to say, I love new Thassilon but I don't that dealing with runelords necessitates them being the primary antagonist. Heck even having an AP where you work for New Thassilon and have to aid it would be nice.
Same with a whispering way themed adventure, work with the Tyrant :)
Sadly the idea of a redeemed Sorshen just makes me feel more and more uncomfortable the more I think about it so unless it was an ap about defeating her and Belimarius Cant say I would have much intrest.
I'm curious as to why. What's the problem with Sorshen?
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Sadly the idea of a redeemed Sorshen just makes me feel more and more uncomfortable the more I think about it so unless it was an ap about defeating her and Belimarius Cant say I would have much intrest.I'm curious as to why. What's the problem with Sorshen?
I think a decent number of people have this issue. it really has to do with one's personal beliefs about redemption. Sorshen was a monster, and did truly terrible and unconscionable things.
Whether someone is comfortable with the idea that a person guilty of mass murder, thousands of acts of torture, and a variety of other atrocities can go on to become a reasonably nice person, and whether they're comfortable with them not paying for said crimes in a punitive sense, is something that varies a lot from individual to individual.
I'm personally fine with it, at least in the context of the game, but I can see why somebody wouldn't be.
Whether someone is comfortable with the idea that a person guilty of mass murder, thousands of acts of torture, and a variety of other atrocities can go on to become a reasonably nice person, and whether they're comfortable with them not paying for said crimes in a punitive sense, is something that varies a lot from individual to individual.
Wonder how people will be reacting to the primary antagonist of Age of Ashes then -laughs-
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Sadly the idea of a redeemed Sorshen just makes me feel more and more uncomfortable the more I think about it so unless it was an ap about defeating her and Belimarius Cant say I would have much intrest.I'm curious as to why. What's the problem with Sorshen?I think a decent number of people have this issue. it really has to do with one's personal beliefs about redemption. Sorshen was a monster, and did truly terrible and unconscionable things.
Whether someone is comfortable with the idea that a person guilty of mass murder, thousands of acts of torture, and a variety of other atrocities can go on to become a reasonably nice person, and whether they're comfortable with them not paying for said crimes in a punitive sense, is something that varies a lot from individual to individual.
I'm personally fine with it, at least in the context of the game, but I can see why somebody wouldn't be.
It also has to do (At least in my case) with the specific kind of crimes she is most likely guilty of and the message I feel it sends out.
Also since someone mentioned the age of ashes I would point out the badguy there refering to has had a decade of vaguness of whether they were evil or not to begin with whilst Sorhshen was consistently an evil person (Heck every single piece of evidence till return came out was she was still going to be a badguy.
Sadly the idea of a redeemed Sorshen just makes me feel more and more uncomfortable the more I think about it so unless it was an ap about defeating her and Belimarius Cant say I would have much intrest.I'm curious as to why. What's the problem with Sorshen?I think a decent number of people have this issue. it really has to do with one's personal beliefs about redemption. Sorshen was a monster, and did truly terrible and unconscionable things.
Whether someone is comfortable with the idea that a person guilty of mass murder, thousands of acts of torture, and a variety of other atrocities can go on to become a reasonably nice person, and whether they're comfortable with them not paying for said crimes in a punitive sense, is something that varies a lot from individual to individual.
I'm personally fine with it, at least in the context of the game, but I can see why somebody wouldn't be.
I know this is kind of an old thread but I actually kind of agree. Even though she does do a fair amount of good stuff in Return Of The Runelords it still seems like her life has been about 95 percent evil and 5 percent good. That said, if they did make another AP, maybe she could do more stuff to make up for it and even go all the way to CG instead of CN (is that feasable?)
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I know this is kind of an old thread but I actually kind of agree. Even though she does do a fair amount of good stuff in Return Of The Runelords it still seems like her life has been about 95 percent evil and 5 percent good. That said, if they did make another AP, maybe she could do more stuff to make up for it and even go all the way to CG instead of CN (is that feasable?)
This seems possible, but frankly pretty unlikely for a few different reasons.
On an in-character level, one of her primary traits preventing her from descending back into Evil is also one preventing her from becoming Good. Specifically, her unwillingness to use her power to enforce her will on the world. This is actually a major component of her redemption in many ways, but it also keeps her from actively stopping a whole lot of Evil stuff that she has the power to stop, which is gonna make becoming Good real hard for her.
On a more meta level, having another AP focusing on this would be pretty repetitive and yet the story would definitely deserve that kind of scope, so that's one issue. Another, perhaps more important, one is that Sorshen is as powerful as the Whispering Tyrant, if not more so. If she were suddenly a purely Good figure the scope for high level PCs to do things and for high level enemies to even exist becomes a lot more limited, since she can casually fix so many problems and squash end-of-AP villains like insects.
Sorshen can end Abrogail Thrune and Hell's rule of Cheliax in an afternoon...and if she were Good aligned, she should logically do exactly that. So the idea of her actually becoming Good without it radically changing the setting to be, well, basically more boring, has a lot of issues.