What happens when you make a Traveling Kettle out of Fire-Forged steel?


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Silver Crusade

Does a Traveling Kettle made from fire-forged steel, and filled with boiling water, do extra fire damage? And if so, does it deal 1d4, 1d4+1 or 1. Also, how long does this last?

Relevant text:

- A traveling kettle with boiling water inside deals an additional 1 point of fire damage on a hit. Boiling water cools to a non damaging temperature after 5 minutes.
- https://aonprd.com/EquipmentWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Traveling%20kettle

- If the weapon is exposed to 10 points or more of fire damage (such as from an opponent’s fireball or by holding it in a campfire for 1 full round), the weapon adds +1d4 points of fire damage to its attacks for the next 2 rounds.
- https://aonprd.com/SpecialMaterials.aspx


fireforged needs to get hit for at least 10 in 1 hit


Whip it off the campfire and the fire-forged kettle does 1d4+1 fire damage. At the end of your second turn after taking it off the campfire it goes down to 1 point of fire damage. Five minutes after taking it off the campfire that goes down to zero, assuming you haven't been fireballed or similar in the interim.

Silver Crusade

avr wrote:
Whip it off the campfire and the fire-forged kettle does 1d4+1 fire damage. At the end of your second turn after taking it off the campfire it goes down to 1 point of fire damage. Five minutes after taking it off the campfire that goes down to zero, assuming you haven't been fireballed or similar in the interim.

Wouldn't the fire damage, from the boiling water inside, act like a campfire?


Boiling water only does 1pt of fire damage per round... which is NOT the 10pt of fire damage per round required to "activate" the fire-forged steel's extra damage ability. That's my take on it actively doing the extra 1D4 for the entire 5min duration of the boiling water doing 1pt extra damage.

It DOES do 1D4+1 for the first two rounds you pull it from the campfire, though.


Axiomatic wrote:
avr wrote:
Whip it off the campfire and the fire-forged kettle does 1d4+1 fire damage. At the end of your second turn after taking it off the campfire it goes down to 1 point of fire damage. Five minutes after taking it off the campfire that goes down to zero, assuming you haven't been fireballed or similar in the interim.
Wouldn't the fire damage, from the boiling water inside, act like a campfire?

no its not enough the campfire or 10 damage from 1 hit is needed, it would not be enough just from boiling water, the campfire only works because its specifically called out to work.


Yeah, looks pretty cut-and-dry by RAW. And by RAI, it would be kind of screwy to say that the heat that causes damage heats it up more to cause more damage. Circular logic.

Silver Crusade

Quixote wrote:
Yeah, looks pretty cut-and-dry by RAW. And by RAI, it would be kind of screwy to say that the heat that causes damage heats it up more to cause more damage. Circular logic.

That's not what I'm saying. While the water is boiling is the metal not receiving one point of fire damage per round? Wouldn't this build up? Meaning, after 10 round it would meet the threshold of 10 points. Therefore, the next 2 round it could deal 1d4+1. Then after that it would have to "charge" again. This would also only work when the water is boiling during that 5 min period.


Just fill it with lava. ;)


Axiomatic wrote:
Quixote wrote:
Yeah, looks pretty cut-and-dry by RAW. And by RAI, it would be kind of screwy to say that the heat that causes damage heats it up more to cause more damage. Circular logic.
That's not what I'm saying. While the water is boiling is the metal not receiving one point of fire damage per round? Wouldn't this build up? Meaning, after 10 round it would meet the threshold of 10 points. Therefore, the next 2 round it could deal 1d4+1. Then after that it would have to "charge" again. This would also only work when the water is boiling during that 5 min period.

no


Axiomatic wrote:
That's not what I'm saying. While the water is boiling is the metal not receiving one point of fire damage per round?

Exactly what I was referring to.

But the two examples, a fireball spell and being held in a campfire, both happen in one round, not over several.

Silver Crusade

Quixote wrote:
Axiomatic wrote:
That's not what I'm saying. While the water is boiling is the metal not receiving one point of fire damage per round?

Exactly what I was referring to.

But the two examples, a fireball spell and being held in a campfire, both happen in one round, not over several.

I'm unhappy about it, but... I give in. Y'all right. I'm just going to have to create a special magic item so that I can make my dream of a combat kettle a reality.


Why not just create a special battle poi weapon that also functions as a tea kettle?


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Or... lava!

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