So this question appeared on my table, my problem is with this sentence.
"The first time you hit your hunted prey in a round, you also deal 1d8 additional precision damage."
When you hunt two preys it will be the first time you hit a hunted prey two times... Would that trigger twice? Or not... We reached a consensus of no because it the second time you hit a hunted prey but i just want to be sure.
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To me it shouldn't.
If you hit your second prey, it's the second time you hit your hunted prey in this round so it should not trigger.
So this question appeared on my table, my problem is with this sentence.
"The first time you hit your hunted prey in a round, you also deal 1d8 additional precision damage."
When you hunt two preys it will be the first time you hit a hunted prey two times... Would that trigger twice? Or not... We reached a consensus of no because it the second time you hit a hunted prey but i just want to be sure.
To me it should.
Seems a combat feat which allows you to better manage your action points ( not having to change your prey everytime, wasting 1 action, or simply to attack different targets instead of focusing one, or to let your pet attack another target while you attack another one ).
The fact the specialization refers to a single prey is because, I suppose, double prey is a feat.
And since we have
Prey A
Prey Bit should be something like
Did you attack prey A this round?
If no, then you add 2d8 to your target.Did you attack prey B this round?
If no, then you add 2d8 to your target.This should also work if you start your turn with an already marked enemy
Attack him > extra d8 > Enemy dies > Prey on another enemy > Attack him > extra d8. Since your prey is always different.
I agree, they are two separate Prey. It would drastically devalue the Double and Triple Prey Feats otherwise.
I agree, they are two separate Prey. It would drastically devalue the Double and Triple Prey Feats otherwise.
And it drastically increases your damage output if you allow it.
There are plenty of other benefits to the double and triple hunt feats.
I don't think this needs errata. It is fairly clear that 'prey' means all of them collectively. The rules text for Double Prey uses that word that way too.
As a houserule, being allowed to add Precision Edge damage separately against all of the hunted prey targets isn't too out of balance. It does mean spreading your extra damage out against the enemy team. But it isn't the way the rules are written.
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I don't think this needs errata. It is fairly clear that 'prey' means all of them collectively. The rules text for Double Prey uses that word that way too.
As a houserule, being allowed to add Precision Edge damage separately against all of the hunted prey targets isn't too out of balance. It does mean spreading your extra damage out against the enemy team. But it isn't the way the rules are written.
I disagree. Everything about the Hunt Prey Action refers to a singular Creature. Double Prey simply allows you to have 2 separate Prey at once. They are still individual Prey.
- Finally, outwit and flurry goes with this feat with no issues. Wouldn't be strange that they deliberately decided that precision would have been out of this specific context?
Outwit gets improved but not Flurry.
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Outwit gets improved but not Flurry.
- Finally, outwit and flurry goes with this feat with no issues. Wouldn't be strange that they deliberately decided that precision would have been out of this specific context?Why not?
With the once per round ruling, Precision and Flurry behave the same if you have one or multiple targets.
With the once per target ruling, Precision is improved if you have multiple target as you go from 1d8 extra damage per round to 1d8 extra damage per attack as long as you switch target.I clearly think in that case the conservative ruling seems more fair.
And the main goal of double/triple preys is to improve your action economy.
Outwit gets improved but not Flurry.
- Finally, outwit and flurry goes with this feat with no issues. Wouldn't be strange that they deliberately decided that precision would have been out of this specific context?Why not?
With the once per round ruling, Precision and Flurry behave the same if you have one or multiple targets.
With the once per target ruling, Precision is improved if you have multiple target as you go from 1d8 extra damage per round to 1d8 extra damage per attack as long as you switch target.
I clearly think in that case the conservative ruling seems more fair.And the main goal of double/triple preys is to improve your action economy.
While it's true that you could achieve 2x +1d8 damage, it's also true that you have to hit.
Imagine something like:
- Double prey
- hunted shot on the first prey ( +2d8 )
- Strike on the second prey ( +2d8 )You will have 2 extra dices per hit, yeah, but you'll have to hit.
And also you will find yourself splitting damage, instead of bringing down an enemy asap.However, I am not convinced about the outcome damage ( for both flurry and precision ). some comparison with other fighting classes could be helpful ( maybe a precision ranger would be simply good at spreading damage ).
Ok, the occurence would be low. But is it a reason to improve Precision? Is "it will happen rarely" a good reason to choose a ruling over another?
I find "it doesn't change Precision efficiency" to be a better reason.Anyway, at the end of the day, it's quite DM-dependent as one could easily read it both ways. I'd clearly choose the conservative reading, but you can choose another one.
The other thing that should be noted is that Double Prey is more of an economy benefit for Flurry. Flurry needs every action it can use to attack, so it wants to avoid having to spend actions on having to Hunt Prey again if possible.