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Take Cover
One Action
Core Rulebook pg. 471
Requirements You are benefiting from cover, are near a feature that allows you to take cover, or are prone.
You press yourself against a wall or duck behind an obstacle to take better advantage of cover. If you would have standard cover, you instead gain greater cover, which provides a +4 circumstance bonus to AC; to Reflex saves against area effects; and to Stealth checks to Hide, Sneak, or otherwise avoid detection. Otherwise, you gain the benefits of standard cover (a +2 circumstance bonus instead). This lasts until you move from your current space, use an attack action, become unconscious, or end this effect as a free action.
Shields
When you have a tower shield raised, you can use the Take Cover action (page 471) to increase the circumstance bonus to AC to +4. This lasts until the shield is no longer raised. If you would normally provide lesser cover against an attack, having your tower shield raised provides standard cover against it (and other creatures can Take Cover as normal using the cover from your shield).
Hide
Core Rulebook pg. 251
You huddle behind cover or greater cover or deeper into concealment to become hidden, rather than observed. The GM rolls your Stealth check in secret and compares the result to the Perception DC of each creature you’re observed by but that you have cover or greater cover against or are concealed from. You gain the circumstance bonus from cover or greater cover to your check.
Success If the creature could see you, you’re now hidden from it instead of observed. If you were hidden from or undetected by the creature, you retain that condition.
If you successfully become hidden to a creature but then cease to have cover or greater cover against it or be concealed from it, you become observed again. You cease being hidden if you do anything except Hide, Sneak, or Step. If you attempt to Strike a creature, the creature remains flat-footed against that attack, and you then become observed. If you do anything else, you become observed just before you act unless the GM determines otherwise. The GM might allow you to perform a particularly unobtrusive action without being noticed, possibly requiring another Stealth check.
If a creature uses Seek to make you observed by it, you must successfully Hide to become hidden from it again.
Is that possible to Rise Tower shield, Take Cover and Hide to become concealed besides your shield is what give you cover?
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I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but while technically your tower shield will let you be hidden from the enemy, the enemy saw you plop down your tower shield and hide behind it.
And while they may not see you, they can infer where you are, and attempt to get behind or to the side of your shield and would see you.
So you could hide, but it wont do you much good.
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I'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but while technically your tower shield will let you be hidden from the enemy, the enemy saw you plop down your tower shield and hide behind it.
And while they may not see you, they can infer where you are, and attempt to get behind or to the side of your shield and would see you.
So you could hide, but it wont do you much good.
But with extra actions shenannigans ( haste, monk, etc ) you can sneak out of your initial position
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But with extra actions shenannigans ( haste, monk, etc ) you can sneak out of your initial positionI'm not sure I understand your question exactly, but while technically your tower shield will let you be hidden from the enemy, the enemy saw you plop down your tower shield and hide behind it.
And while they may not see you, they can infer where you are, and attempt to get behind or to the side of your shield and would see you.
So you could hide, but it wont do you much good.
If you leave your cover behind (your tower shield) you're not hidden, and if you take the shield with you then people will still see the shield.
So...I'm not seeing what you're suggesting.
You're not Solid Snake and this isn't Metal Gear. You can't just hide under a box and expect enemies to ignore you.
I mean if you use the shield for cover successfully hide then sneak into other cover and they still don't beat your check your still hidden if I understand the sneak rules correctly.
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That's technically true Talonhawke, but they will have watched your tower shield go into other cover, even if they couldn't see you specifically.
So while you will be "Hidden", they will roughly know your location. Which is usually enough to make it pretty easy to locate someone, because it makes it easy to negate cover at that point.
Need to get a kickstand for the tower shield.
But yeah you would need to hit like darkness or the tree line and go deep enough to not be seen until you can drop the shield to reposition.
At least they can't target you with a single-target ability or ranged attacks while hidden behind it. You can make the enemy waste some actions if you just turtle there and force them to come!
At least they can't target you with a single-target ability or ranged attacks while hidden behind it. You can make the enemy waste some actions if you just turtle there and force them to come!
Or use an area spell just past the side of your shield...
I don't think you can hide behind your own equipment...
I don't think you can hide behind your own equipment...
Not explicitly stated, though I would generally agree. However, even if you were to allow it I think the result makes it not very effective, since negating the cover wouldn't be that difficult.
I don't think you can hide behind your own equipment...
Tower Shields are different from most equipment by it's size alone: as such it makes sense to me that you can duck out of sight behind something that big. The thing that lets you hide though works against you as while it's big for equipment it's small from an environmental standpoint: people can't see you but know what square you're in and know where to go to see you like walking around the shield for a new angle to look at you. It'd be a super niche situation for this to be useful.
If you leave your cover behind (your tower shield) you're not hidden, and if you take the shield with you then people will still see the shield.
Just use a detachable tower shield that stands on his own in addition to your own tower shield and stealth from cover to cover, problem solved! :P
Shieldception!
Except for the very sneaky goblin with the tower shield. They don't have to stay in cover or concealment while they take a sneak action as long as they end their turn in one.
I don't think the cover provided by Tower shields is overpowered though because you have to spend an action to raise your shield, then take cover, then hide. The cover goes away as soon as your shield is no longer raised, so it ends before the start of your next turn. You'd have to be hasted to do anything at all with your hidden condition other than sit in place.
I'm wrapped head to toe in fabric. The fabric breaks line of sight to my body. Therefore, you can't see me. My "ninja suit" makes me invisible! XD
Why are we discussing this!?
You're not Solid Snake and this isn't Metal Gear. You can't just hide under a box and expect enemies to ignore you.