Is there anyway of making the Quarterstaff of a Staff Magus Dex based? AKA Dex to Hit and to Damage
Quarterstaff is not polearm and spear, its a double and monk weapon. I think taking Ascetic slyle and weapon fenisse will give you Dex to hit
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Spear Dancing Spiral would let you use a Polearm instead of a Quarterstaff (including getting a shield bonus from your polearm). It would also let you use Weapon Finesse with said Polearm.
I' not sure if Ascetic Style would give you Weapon Finesse, but it's an interesting idea. Might have to take that one to the rules forum.
If you want to actually use a quarterstaff I'm not sure if you can get Weapon Finesse. If you just want to use that archetype there's definitely a way.
A medium size character wielding a small size quarterstaff, and applying effortless lace to that (not automatically allowed), then enchanting the resulting weapon with agile (ditto) - is a shaky means but might work.
Basically though you need some Str as a staff magus.
A medium size character wielding a small size quarterstaff, and applying effortless lace to that (not automatically allowed), then enchanting the resulting weapon with agile (ditto) - is a shaky means but might work.
Effortless Lace explicitly says "If the weapon is wielded by a creature whose size matches that of the weapon’s intended wielder, the weapon is treated as a light melee weapon when determining whether it can be used with Weapon Finesse". A quarterstaff can never at the same time fulfill the "one-handed weapon" requirement of the Lace and the 'finessable weapon' requirement of the Agile enchantment, even if you were to wield it the entire time of crafting.
And that's if you could treat a small quarterstaff as a one-handed weapon for crafting purposes, which is extremely questionable to begin with.
I' not sure if Ascetic Style would give you Weapon Finesse, but it's an interesting idea. Might have to take that one to the rules forum.
It has been discussed at length before, but it's questionable at best. Don't expect any definite answer. I always list it as "Things I'm not sure about" in my list of what Ascetic Style actually does.
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Spear Dancing Spiral lets you use all the Staff Magus quarterstaff based special abilities with any one spear or polearm... AND grants Weapon Finesse with it.
The only downside would be that when using the 'Staff Weapon' ability to treat a magic staff as a quarterstaff you would NOT have Weapon Finesse. That being said, in most cases it seems likely that you'd be better off using an actual enchanted weapon. At that, a Staff Magus with Spear Dancing Spiral could potentially wield a spear/polearm in one hand and a magic staff in the other.
Spear Dancing Spiral lets you use all the Staff Magus quarterstaff based special abilities with any one spear or polearm... AND grants Weapon Finesse with it.
The only downside would be that when using the 'Staff Weapon' ability to treat a magic staff as a quarterstaff you would NOT have Weapon Finesse. That being said, in most cases it seems likely that you'd be better off using an actual enchanted weapon. At that, a Staff Magus with Spear Dancing Spiral could potentially wield a spear/polearm in one hand and a magic staff in the other.
Interesting thank you
I could go Human UnRogue 3/Staff Magus X
Level 1 - Magus - Weapon Focus & Two-weapon Fighting (Or does spell combat meet that prerequisite?)
Level 2 - UnRogue - Weapon Finesse
Level 3 - Spear Dancing Style & Combat Trick - Spear Dancing Spiral
Level 4 - Weapon Finesse
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Level 1 - Magus - Weapon Focus & Two-weapon Fighting (Or does spell combat meet that prerequisite?)
No, it wouldn't.
That said, when GM'ing I allow 'similar' feats and abilities like this to swap for each other within their own limitations. So... I'd let you use Spell Combat as a pre-req for Spear Dancing Style... but the benefits would only apply while you were using Spell Combat. If you were holding the weapon two handed... no free hand for Spell Combat, so no ability to use the spear/polearm as a double weapon (or, with Spear Dancing Spiral, apply quarterstaff abilities to it).
Even that is very much in house rule / favorable GM interpretation territory.
Okay would this work
Human
Level 1 - Thug UnRogue - Weapon Finesse - Weapon Focus & Two-weapon Fighting
Level 2 - Thug UnRogue - Talent: Ninja Trick-Style Master: Spear Dancing Style
Level 3 - Thug UnRogue - Spear Dancing Spiral
Level 4 - Bladebound HexCrafter Staff Magus - Quarterstaff Master
Level 5 - Magus - Exotic Weapon proficiency (Fauchard)
Level 6 - Magus - Black Blade
Level 7 - Magus - Flight Hex - Enforcer
Level 8 - UnRogue - Rogue Talent:Combat Trick- Combat Reflexes
So the idea is that with the Fauchard you Trip opponents with Spell Combat and oppose negatives with the help of Frostbite. Then as they are laying there debuffed you pile on with the sneak attack all the while keeping our distance with Reach. Later on pick up Combat Reflexes and Agile Maneuvers.
Level 8 should be Rogue 4/Magus 4 split
I am not sure how good it would be
I'd say it wouldn't he great.
Dipping 4 levels out of Magus is more than you want to dip. People will say never to dip. I disagree with that but I'd only dip a level or 2 without a really good reason. Also a Black Blade can't be a Fauchard.
Honestly I'd just go straight Magus. You can use finesse weapons until all your feats come online, and you can use an Agile weapon for DEX to damage. Dip a level if you want some feats/etc, but a split is going to make you bad at Magus and bad at Rogue.
Also a Black Blade can't be a Fauchard.
It needs to be a one handed slashing weapon, which it is with the Spear Dancing feats and the Quartermaster Master. That said if I am wrong it frees up a couple of feats
Also a Black Blade can't be a Fauchard.It needs to be a one handed slashing weapon, which it is with the Spear Dancing feats and the Quartermaster Master. That said if I am wrong it frees up a couple of feats
You can use it as a 1 handed weapon, but it doesn't become one. Sorry.
You can use it as a 1 handed weapon, but it doesn't become one. Sorry.Also a Black Blade can't be a Fauchard.It needs to be a one handed slashing weapon, which it is with the Spear Dancing feats and the Quartermaster Master. That said if I am wrong it frees up a couple of feats
It would just be this then
Human
Level 1 - Thug UnRogue - Weapon Finesse - Weapon Focus & Two-weapon Fighting
Level 2 - Thug UnRogue - Talent: Ninja Trick-Style Master: Spear Dancing Style
Level 3 - Thug UnRogue - Spear Dancing Spiral
Level 4 - HexCrafter Staff Magus - Quarterstaff Master
Level 5 - Magus - Enforcer
Level 6 - Magus - Wand Wielder
Level 7 - Magus - Flight Hex - Rime Spell
Level 8 - UnRogue - Rogue Talent:Combat Trick- Combat Reflexes
Is Unchained Rogue the only way to get Dex-to-Damage with that Quarterstaff or Pole Arm?
How about Quarterstaff Master + Spear Dancing Spiral + Slashing Grace?
If Slashing Grace stacks that would be great
Thug (UnRogue) also gives Frightening, Brutal Beating, and Debilitating Injury which I think has some nice synergy
Is Unchained Rogue the only way to get Dex-to-Damage with that Quarterstaff or Pole Arm?
How about Quarterstaff Master + Spear Dancing Spiral + Slashing Grace?
Slashing Grace works apparently, and as RAWmonger said
I mean it’s weapon focus + two weapon fighting + spear dancing style + weapon finesse + spear dancing spiral + quarter staff master + slashing grace...
Which is a lot of feats which what means at Level 7 if you are human you can get it
While I don't want to tell you what to play, I'm less and less impressed with Dex builds. The feats it takes to get working just don't seem worth it to me. Unless you're playing in an extremely low point buy (10 points?) It just doesn't feel like you need Dex to damage.
If you are in a low point buy, or you really want DEX to damage for some other reason why not just use a scimitar? You CAN force Dex to damage on a polearm, but is it worth it?
(Not saying all Dex-builds are bad, I just don't think they're always the best option.)
Yeah I don't want to say "Don't Do It", because sometimes it IS the best option, and other times even if it's not the best option it's still a perfectly valid and viable option, and if you want to do it then go for it.
I just wanted to put that there because I see a lot of people try to force Dex builds onto something that doesn't need it. You can still be an acrobatic agile warrior twirling a staff around if you go Strength-based, and you'll save feats doing it.
But yeah, do what's fun.