Forbes on best RPGs of 2019


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dirtypool wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:

I still don't understand the V:tM attraction. It's been a Top 5 contender for a long time and not only have I never played, I don't know anyone who has and have only heard of one person that did about 5 years ago now, maybe longer.

PF is obviously PF2 and it surprises me that SF dropped out of the Top 5 but then, as mentioned, I don't understand V:tM's placement so what do I know?

Be interesting to see if SW moves up with the 4th quarter returns.

Masquerade is in contention because it’s 5th Edition came out at the end of 18, and two major release supplements came out in 19 - one during the summer. There was also a major Kickstarter for a beloved supplement’s redesign over the summer that brought renewed attention.

The game had been dormant for a long time (White Wolf stopped publishing it in 04, replacing it with Vampire: The Requiem and left the game unsupported until 2011 when they released a Masquerade 20th Anniversary edition.)

While you may not have personally met anyone who played it, there is still a huge fan base. Remember, before Paizo managed to topple D&D from the top of the sales chart the only other company to have done so for any real period of time was White Wolf

Also, and this should not be neglected, Geek & Sundry have been running a Vampire game for just over a year now. I don't think there's any doubt that their games (and other major streamers) influence buying habits.

Shadowrun, the other game that's not a regular on the list, also had a new edition (it's 6th) in August. I don't expect it to sustain 3rd place, although it might manage to stay reasonably high (Top-10 rather than Top-5, alongside some other regulars).


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Steve Geddes wrote:
Lol. What would “Forbes the institution” coming out with an opinion on the best RPG of the year even look like? Announcement to the share market? Letter to shareholders?

Forbes employs some talented, thoughtful, well rounded journalists, no need to be insulting.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Lol. What would “Forbes the institution” coming out with an opinion on the best RPG of the year even look like? Announcement to the share market? Letter to shareholders?
Forbes employs some talented, thoughtful, well rounded journalists, no need to be insulting.

Errr....who was i insulting?


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Steve Geddes wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Lol. What would “Forbes the institution” coming out with an opinion on the best RPG of the year even look like? Announcement to the share market? Letter to shareholders?
Forbes employs some talented, thoughtful, well rounded journalists, no need to be insulting.
Errr....who was i insulting?

The writers that work for Forbes.

Was that not obvious?


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No (in fact they weren’t even on my list - I presumed you thought I was insulting either Forbes or Sammy T, neither of which was intended either).

I think you may have misunderstood what I was laughing at. I didn’t have any comment on the abilities of the people who write for Forbes.

The claim was that Forbes publishing work by freelancers didn’t count as “Forbes the institution” expressing a view. It was the view of the authors.

The concept of a publishing company having an opinion of its own as to what the best rpg was amused me.

I don’t know anything about the people who write for Forbes, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t excellent.


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Steve Geddes wrote:

No (in fact they weren’t even on my list - I presumed you thought I was insulting either Forbes or Sammy T, neither of which was intended either).

I think you may have misunderstood what I was laughing at. I didn’t have any comment on the abilities of the people who write for Forbes.

The claim was that Forbes publishing work by freelancers didn’t count as “Forbes the institution” expressing a view. It was the view of the authors.

The concept of a publishing company having an opinion of its own as to what the best rpg was amused me.

I don’t know anything about the people who write for Forbes, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t excellent.

Ah, that makes more sense.


Midnightoker wrote:
I kinda hope paizo does some iconic spellcaster spells. Maybe they have already and I missed it, but I found it gave a sense that magic was more “alive” since it was still being perfected (since most of the casters were still around in the setting).

There are a few here and there. Aram Zey's Focus and Trap Ward, Serren's Armor Lock and Swift Girding, and Kreighton's Perusal were in 1e.


Paradozen wrote:
Midnightoker wrote:
I kinda hope paizo does some iconic spellcaster spells. Maybe they have already and I missed it, but I found it gave a sense that magic was more “alive” since it was still being perfected (since most of the casters were still around in the setting).
There are a few here and there. Aram Zey's Focus and Trap Ward, Serren's Armor Lock and Swift Girding, and Kreighton's Perusal were in 1e.

Thanks, wasn't aware these were a thing.

They're on the tame side in terms of power, but I suppose I understand why they'd go that route.

It's just, when I think of spells that were "go to" in 3.5, Evard's Black Tentacles, Melf's Acid Arrow, and Tasha's Hideous Laughter were not only iconic, they were great spells. Three of my favorites to be honest.

It'd be nice if the named spells weren't relegated to niche spells only, but I'm probably just being picky.


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*Ahem*


Bigby's Interposing Hand wrote:
*Ahem*

To be totally far I was on mobile and too lazy to look them up, but I wanted to mention all the Hand spells and of course Mordenkaine as well (“disjunction junction what’s your function! Ruining magic items, spells, and summons!”)


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Midnightoker wrote:
Bigby's Interposing Hand wrote:
*Ahem*
To be totally far I was on mobile and too lazy to look them up, but I wanted to mention all the Hand spells and of course Mordenkaine as well (“disjunction junction what’s your function! Ruining magic items, spells, and summons!”)

If you'll look in the Character Operations Manual you'll notice from the symbol of the Vanguard class, Bigby's legacy lives on.


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Paradozen wrote:
Midnightoker wrote:
I kinda hope paizo does some iconic spellcaster spells. Maybe they have already and I missed it, but I found it gave a sense that magic was more “alive” since it was still being perfected (since most of the casters were still around in the setting).
There are a few here and there. Aram Zey's Focus and Trap Ward, Serren's Armor Lock and Swift Girding, and Kreighton's Perusal were in 1e.

Also Deivon's parry. ^_^


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Honestly, I am happy that they ditched the naming convention with spells. Like a lot of things in D&D, I found that they make the setting feel small. What, this guy is credited with something as simple as an acid arrow? One guy invented big hands?

That, coupled with how they write about the planes and outsiders, just makes all of its cosmology feel like distant countries rather than planes of realities.

I'm okay with iconic characters having an imprint, but it should be something really special, not floating discs and acid arrows.


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Naming things probably has copyright implications.

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I actually like that big innovators in magic have whole styles of casting rather than a couple of spells. Halcyon magic is a grander deal than a variation on xd8 damage.


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Honestly I prefer the Pathfinder approach of keeping the campaign NPCs in the background and the iconics as peers of the PCs.

Giving a lot of importance to fictional characters runs the risk of them overshadowing the players.


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GM Stargin wrote:

Honestly I prefer the Pathfinder approach of keeping the campaign NPCs in the background and the iconics as peers of the PCs.

Giving a lot of importance to fictional characters runs the risk of them overshadowing the players.

I agree with this, but I also maintain the headcanon that at least on Golarion, the "mage" in spells like "mage's magnificent mansion" (yes I know it's not called that in 2e anymore) refers to Old Mage Jatembe. :)

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Removed some posts; there's no need for bickering.


Think Warhammer Fantasy 4E was on here too.

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