So I am big fan of the lore going on in 1st edition. can anyone tell me if anything has been changed in the time before the escape of the Whispering tyrant?
So not the development such as Lastwall falling or Oprak, but did they go back and change any of the already existing lore and say "We said this in 1st edition but in 2E this happened instead."?
Also I just bought "Guide to Absalom". How much of that book will be irrelevant now that the new Absalom guide is coming out in the near future?
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They did not change history, no (with the exception of a couple of things that were straight up errors and changed even in later PF1 stuff...I don't think any were Absalom related).
So everything in the PF1 Guide to Absalom is still valid for Absalom circa 4707 (or whatever year its timeline goes to)...but it's about ten to twelve years out of date in-setting, so things have changed in that time period (ie: slavery was made illegal in Absalom in 4717, and Lord Gyr of House Gyxx is basically no longer the ruler of Absalom, having been missing since 4716, and so on).
So, it's not gonna be totally accurate, but more in a 'history marches on' way than a 'retcons have happened' way.
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So I am big fan of the lore going on in 1st edition. can anyone tell me if anything has been changed in the time before the escape of the Whispering tyrant?
So not the development such as Lastwall falling or Oprak, but did they go back and change any of the already existing lore and say "We said this in 1st edition but in 2E this happened instead."?
Also I just bought "Guide to Absalom". How much of that book will be irrelevant now that the new Absalom guide is coming out in the near future?
I imagine most of the lore will still be relevant in some way. The book will more an expansion on and update from, rather than a rewrite.
They did not change history, no (with the exception of a couple of things that were straight up errors and changed even in later PF1 stuff...I don't think any were Absalom related).
So everything in the PF1 Guide to Absalom is still valid for Absalom circa 4707 (or whatever year its timeline goes to)...but it's about ten to twelve years out of date in-setting, so things have changed in that time period (ie: slavery was made illegal in Absalom in 4717, and Lord Gyr of House Gyxx is basically no longer the ruler of Absalom, having been missing since 4716, and so on).
So, it's not gonna be totally accurate, but more in a 'history marches on' way than a 'retcons have happened' way.
Alright thanks! that's what I was hoping for.
Could you tell me what things they changed in 1E that were straight up errors? I mean lore wise.
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Could you tell me what things they changed in 1E that were straight up errors? I mean lore wise.
Mostly little, early stuff.
The ones I know off the top of my head are all about the Gods: Early books made reference to Paladins of Asmodeus existing, and to the LG God Erastil being kinda sexist, as well as to the worship of Sarenrae being illegal in Taldor.
None of those three things is canonically true (though the last is closest, with some Taldans certainly being prejudiced against Sarenrae's faithful).
There's a handful of others, but they're quite rare.
Could you tell me what things they changed in 1E that were straight up errors? I mean lore wise.Mostly little, early stuff.
.... as well as to the worship of Sarenrae being illegal in Taldor.
None of those three things is canonically true (though the last is closest, with some Taldans certainly being prejudiced against Sarenrae's faithful).
There's a handful of others, but they're quite rare.
Thanks for mentioning that, I hadn't realized that wasn't considered Canon and was something that made some characters problematic in the past. Happy to know it isn't illegal, just perhaps not liked by some people.
Could you tell me what things they changed in 1E that were straight up errors? I mean lore wise.Mostly little, early stuff.
The ones I know off the top of my head are all about the Gods: Early books made reference to Paladins of Asmodeus existing, and to the LG God Erastil being kinda sexist, as well as to the worship of Sarenrae being illegal in Taldor.
None of those three things is canonically true (though the last is closest, with some Taldans certainly being prejudiced against Sarenrae's faithful).
There's a handful of others, but they're quite rare.
Wow good to know! Thank you!
I do keep Erastil a bit of a bigot in my version of Golarion, if only because I think it does give the god a little more flavor and shows that not even LG gods are always perfect, but I can totally see why one might want to move away from that.
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I do keep Erastil a bit of a bigot in my version of Golarion, if only because I think it does give the god a little more flavor and shows that not even LG gods are always perfect, but I can totally see why one might want to move away from that.
The real issue with doing so is twofold:
#1: He's from James Jacobs home setting, where this is not true, and he has a long and detailed history. James was thus not pleased with this creative decision/mistake, especially since he's the God of family (and I agree with him that it's one of the least appropriate flaws for such a God, frankly)...and since James Jacobs is the Creative Director, well, that mistake got corrected.
#2: It implies, due to his great age and focus on tradition, that Golarion has a long history of sexism. There's zero other evidence for this, and it frankly makes the setting a lot less interesting. Settings with weird and different prejudices are more interesting than ones simply reprising those from the real world, at least IMO.
Note that neither are him being LG. I think a LG God who's a bit sexist would be quite interesting...I just think Erastil is a poor choice for that God.
#2: It implies, due to his great age and focus on tradition, that Golarion has a long history of sexism. There's zero other evidence for this, and it frankly makes the setting a lot less interesting. Settings with weird and different prejudices are more interesting than ones simply reprising those from the real world, at least IMO.
Only thing that springs to mind is Taldan Primogentiture, but you're right that it was never very interesting. Even the AP that turned around it only sort of glossed over it.
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I'm pretty deep in development on the final Absalom manuscript at the moment, and have been tracking/guiding its continuity since the beginning.
There aren't any significant changes in terms of Absalom's history up to the publication of the Guide to Absalom. As others have said, time has passed and the current Absalom has some differences to the version we published originally, but it's based on what has happened SINCE the Absalom book, and doesn't involve going back and saying "what we said about this before was wrong" (a few NPC name spellings/inconsistencies notwithstanding...)
Even the Cornucopias, which we all think are dumb, aren't really "retconned out," they just aren't a part of the modern setting. The in-world lore is that, during the Fiendflesh Siege of 4717 AR (or thereabouts), the High Council tried to call on their power, only to realize they they don't work anymore--most likely a consequence of them being powered by Aroden, a god who died about 100 years ago.
More soon, when the book comes out. ;)
