Hi everyone,
Terrain Stalker says that you can Stealth without attempting a Stealth check under certain circumstances.
What happens if you have to start a fight with a character hiding in such a way? On paper, he should have infinite initiative as he can't be detected at all. But Avoid Notice rules say you should roll a Stealth check both for your initiative and to determine who sees you... I'm a bit confused :-)
It says you can Sneak without attempting a check, Sneak is moving not hiding in place, you should roll Stealth for initiative as you would normally when using Avoid Notice. There's no infinite initiative.
"Select one type of difficult terrain from the following list: rubble, snow, or underbrush. While undetected by all non-allies in that type of terrain, you can Sneak without attempting a Stealth check as long as you move no more than 5 feet and do not move within 10 feet of an enemy at any point during your movement. This also allows you to automatically approach creatures to within 15 feet while Avoiding Notice during exploration as long as they aren’t actively Searching or on guard."
Well, it's pretty clear that I don't roll anything while Avoiding Notice. I'm automatically hidden, and stay hidden. Hence my problem.
"Select one type of difficult terrain from the following list: rubble, snow, or underbrush. While undetected by all non-allies in that type of terrain, you can Sneak without attempting a Stealth check as long as you move no more than 5 feet and do not move within 10 feet of an enemy at any point during your movement. This also allows you to automatically approach creatures to within 15 feet while Avoiding Notice during exploration as long as they aren’t actively Searching or on guard."
Well, it's pretty clear that I don't roll anything while Avoiding Notice. I'm automatically hidden, and stay hidden. Hence my problem.
Really not sure what the problem you're manufacturing here is. You're avoiding notice in exploration mode you can approach to within 15ft of something not on guard or Searching, so you remain unnoticed and there is no need to roll initiative as the hostile party hasn't noticed you.
If something else alerts them to the rest of your party, and the GM calls for everyone to roll initiative, you roll stealth for initiative just as you would normally, and remain unnoticed unless your stealth check fails to beat the enemy Perception DC.
You still roll initiative even though you're hiding.
If something else alerts them to the rest of your party, and the GM calls for everyone to roll initiative, you roll stealth for initiative just as you would normally, and remain unnoticed unless your stealth check fails to beat the enemy Perception DC.
You don't see the issue with your ruling? The enemies can't see me, and then because they roll initiative they can see me. And only by rolling initiative as if we were in combat they would not see me either. I don't think rolling initiative is a way to see invisible things.
Haaaa, I missed that. I thought by "on guard" it was meaning guard duty (I'm not native english speaker, so sometimes I make interpretation mistakes).
And if you are the one generating the event that triggers the combat, like shooting with a Crossbow?
Haaaa, I missed that. I thought by "on guard" it was meaning guard duty (I'm not native english speaker, so sometimes I make interpretation mistakes).
And if you are the one generating the event that triggers the combat, like shooting with a Crossbow?
This falls into one of the many threads about taking combat actions outside of initiative to start a fight. My ruling would be roll normally and they could act before you take your shot if they roll higher, as you do something that makes noise to tip them off, but many on the forums have disagreed and asserted their right to start off with an attack.