Condition Cards False Advertising


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I just got the condition Cards pack. I was led to believe each card was going to have nice Goblin art on them, but mine show nothing but text. What is going on?


You sure you didn't mix it up with the PF1 condition cards?


Why would they be worse? I bought these expecting them to be similar.


Why would they be worse? I bought these specifically for the pictures to help my students understand what each condition is.


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What led you to believe that there were going to be goblins on the cards?


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ClanPsi wrote:
Why would they be worse? I bought these specifically for the pictures to help my students understand what each condition is.

Isn't that what the text is for?


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The description says that it will have all the conditions with easy to read text. I don't see anything in the product description about goblins except the picture of the packaging.


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I think I recall an interview with someone commenting that the goblins were popular last time, so likely to return. I'm not certain about that though. Possibly they wanted to, but found there wasn't enough space? — I've not seen the cards themselves.

They included them in the initial release as they were a very popular PF1 product. The reviews however for the PF2 versions have been disappointing.

I removed them from my own preorder after reading those initial poor reviews from subscribers.


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For what it’s worth, I really like the new cards. For me the “amusing pictures” were just a distraction (both for PF1 and SF) and meant there was less room for the important stuff. I consider these an improvement.

They may not be whimsical, but they’re more useful at the table, imo.


Checked the product page, nothing indicates images. In fact, it brings up text specifically: "These 108 cards include rules for the Pathfinder Second Edition conditions, with prominent reminder text you can read at a glance."


I thought I remembered Erik Mona asking the audience at Gen Con “who hoates goblins as core? Well you will love the condition cards!”

Or was that the critical hit deck?

Either way the title of this thread seems needlessly antagonistic.


I think this boils down to doing due dilligence before buying a product. It sounds like OP thought these cards might have artwork because last ones did, but the product page clearly mentions prominent text and nothing about images.

I'm also assuming since this was posted today, that it's a recent issue, and there's been at least one video since the 16th on youtube.


If you checked the product page Steve and others have described the product, noting the lack of picture.


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While I was disappointed to not see any art, a bigger issue to me is that there are no cards for Fatigued. That seems like an unfortunate omission. It's not that big of a deal though as I simply made my own Fatigued cards and will put them in with the rest of the pack.


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"Paizo never advertised something... false advertising!!!!!!!"

Jesus dude, really?


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Fumarole wrote:
While I was disappointed to not see any art, a bigger issue to me is that there are no cards for Fatigued. That seems like an unfortunate omission. It's not that big of a deal though as I simply made my own Fatigued cards and will put them in with the rest of the pack.

Sounds like you got a dud deck. I have two fatigued cards in my copy. I’d get onto CS to get a replacement.

Here’s what I got in my deck:
2 Blinded Cards
2 Broken Cards
3 Clumsy* Cards
2 Concealed Cards
2 Confused Cards
1 Controlled Card
4 Dazzled Cards
2 Deafened Cards
3 Doomed* Cards
4 Drained* Cards
4 Dying* Cards
1 Encumbered Card
3 Enfeebled* Cards
2 Fascinated Cards
2 Fatigued Cards
2 Flat-footed Cards
2 Fleeing Cards
4 Frightened* Cards
4 Grabbed Cards
4 Hidden Cards
2 Immobilzed Cards
4 Invisible Cards
4 Paralyzed Cards
4 Persistent Damage* Cards
2 Petrified Cards
4 Prone Cards
3 Quickened* Cards
2 Restrained Cards
4 Sickened* Cards
4 Slowed* Cards
4 Stunned* Cards
2 Stupefied* Cards
4 Unconscious Cards
2 Undetected Cards
4 Wounded* Cards

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I would say you owe Paizo an apology, both for the unnecessarily rude and hostile tone of your post, but also because you are completely wrong.


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Steve Geddes wrote:
Fumarole wrote:
While I was disappointed to not see any art, a bigger issue to me is that there are no cards for Fatigued. That seems like an unfortunate omission. It's not that big of a deal though as I simply made my own Fatigued cards and will put them in with the rest of the pack.

Sounds like you got a dud deck. I have two fatigued cards in my copy. I’d get onto CS to get a replacement.

** spoiler omitted **

Your reply prompted me to take inventory of my cards and it turns out I do in fact have Fatigued cards, the same as you. In fact my deck exactly matches yours. I am not sure how I missed them initially but I thank you for helping me out.


No worries!


What I'm most worried about is that the OP is supposedly a teacher if he's bought them to show students the conditions, yet not only did he not read the very clear product page, or the reviews, he didn't even due the basic due dilligence of googling the cards which would easily bring up a video. Then went on to claim false advertising instead of admitting any fault on his end.


Are you actually trying to call the OP a shitty teacher Corvo? If not I don’t understand the point of your post.


The ShadowShackleton wrote:
I would say you owe Paizo an apology, both for the unnecessarily rude and hostile tone of your post, but also because you are completely wrong.

Really! Did Paizo apology for errors in their products? I find your demand ridicules.

Everyone makes mistakes/errors and sometimes our tempers get the better of us.

No apology is required of anyone, not Paizo for their errors, not you for demanding an apology, not me for writing this totally unnecessary post and not him for his error.

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Uh, having a typo in a book is a bit different than claiming false advertising when you didn’t read the product before purchasing it.


Rysky wrote:
Uh, having a typo in a book is a bit different than claiming false advertising when you didn’t read the product before purchasing it.

No they are not the same! He came on here and admitted his error. He did not have to do that. Admitting his error to the online lynch mob is enough.

One thing about this Title of this thread you can bet someone at Paizo is going to read it. LOL


Justinian9 wrote:
. Admitting his error to the online lynch mob is enough.

???


John Lynch 106 wrote:
Justinian9 wrote:
. Admitting his error to the online lynch mob is enough.
???

Hello John Lynch... I was not referring to you! LMAO. Just referring to how you can be attacked in forums.


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Justinian9 wrote:
One thing about this Title of this thread you can bet someone at Paizo is going to read it. LOL

Someone at Paizo is probably going to look at any thread.

If one wants to actually get a response or to have your critique considered as constructive criticism, it’s always best to cut out the abuse or insults. They don’t add anything and run the risk of drowning the message in discussions about tone (as happened here).


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Justinian9 wrote:
I find your demand ridicules.

What a great name for a greek-inspired hero. I am Ridicules, son of King Typho and heir to the Throne of Diditwrong.


Justinian9 wrote:
John Lynch 106 wrote:
Justinian9 wrote:
. Admitting his error to the online lynch mob is enough.
???
Hello John Lynch... I was not referring to you! LMAO.

;)


Anguish wrote:
Justinian9 wrote:
I find your demand ridicules.
What a great name for a greek-inspired hero. I am Ridicules, son of King Typho and heir to the Throne of Diditwrong.

:-)

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Justinian9 wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Uh, having a typo in a book is a bit different than claiming false advertising when you didn’t read the product before purchasing it.

No they are not the same! He came on here and admitted his error. He did not have to do that. Admitting his error to the online lynch mob is enough.

One thing about this Title of this thread you can bet someone at Paizo is going to read it. LOL

Am I missing a post somewhere where he admitted he was wrong? Looked back at this whole thread and don’t see it.

He accused the company of fraud. I think that is rather over the top, especially considering he was looking at the wrong product and made an error himself.

I said I thought he should apologize and this is equated to an online “lynch mob”?

Please reconsider your words otherwise I might just be forced to also (gasp) suggest you apologize!


John Lynch 106 wrote:
Are you actually trying to call the OP a s~+@ty teacher Corvo? If not I don’t understand the point of your post.

I wouldn't go that far personally, but I do find it a little concerning that that a role figure would go as far as make false claims like this because he didn't read product page, reviews or google the item in question. Would you rather praise the effort and the claim?


Corvo Spiritwind wrote:
I wouldn't go that far personally, but I do find it a little concerning

If your not willing to go so far as to say they’re a bad teacher, can you please clarify what you mean by calling it concerning? Because I’m struggling to come up with another interpretation to the meaning behind your statements. But clearly your not criticising and judging the person’s professional capabilities based on a forum post, so what are you suggesting with your responses? :)

As for whether I would rather praise or condemn: you can see my earlier posts to see how I chose to react :)


I was trying to understand what your point was. You seem to be getting defensive though so I’m just going to let it drop.

FYI: people do stupid stuff all the time. I don’t typically find myself growing “concerned” about what some random stranger on the internet does. The fact you have become concerned about it AND felt the need to bring up irrelevant facts confused me enough to try to understand what you were saying.

[EDIT]: the post this was in response to has been deleted.


John Lynch 106 wrote:

I was trying to understand what your point was. You seem to be getting defensive though so I’m just going to let it drop.

FYI: people do stupid stuff all the time. I don’t typically find myself growing “concerned” about what some random stranger on the internet does.

You were getting a little aggressive and I got ranty, my bad. You can be concerned about something without resorting to name calling. Maybe we just have a different value to what being concerned means when using the word. I have the same level of concern for someone buying any product without at least checking it, but I don't think they're all shitty people like you implied.


It seemed like your concern was intrinsically linked to the fact that the “OP was supposedly a teacher”. You have since clarified that whether or not the OP is a teacher was irrelevant to your point, so although I remain confused by your bringing it up I’m happy to move on :)

I will be sure to rephrase my requests for clarification in the future to contain less aggresiveness as there was no intent for there to be any aggression in the post.


John Lynch 106 wrote:
It seemed like your concern was intrinsically linked to the fact that the “OP was supposedly a teacher”. You have since clarified that whether or not the OP is a teacher was irrelevant to your point, so although I remain confused by your bringing it up I’m happy to move on :)

Fair enough, it was just a tangent opinion. Moving on.

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Justinian9 wrote:
No they are not the same! He came on here and admitted his error.

Where?


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FYI the D&D5e Essentials kit includes condition cards with art. Has the art on one side for easy visual of what condition you have (so others can easily see it from across the table) then the detailed rules text on the other side (for when others reminds you of your condition) It is sketch art not full color, and also punch card not playing card quality

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