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If for example a fighter joins a house of perfection at level 7, they would be unable to retrain their 2nd, 4th, or 6th level class feats take the student of perfection dedication feat because they were not a member of a house of perfection at level 2, 4, or 6.
This is because of the text in the retraining section on page 481 "When retraining, you generally can’t make choices you couldn’t make when you selected the original
option. For instance, you can’t exchange a 2nd-level
skill feat for a 4th-level one, or for one that requires
prerequisites you didn’t meet at the time you took the
original feat."
So you did not meet the prerequisite at levels 2, 4 or 6 because you were not a member of a house of perfection yet.
This seems harsher than intended.
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"Generally." Don't outsmart yourself.
...retrain whatever your lower-level feat you want to retrain is to the dedication to join the house of perfection, instead of using your 7th level feat choice for it?
Doesn't seem harsh at all.
The whole point is you can't retrain to that feat with a lower level feat. Joining a house of perfection is a prerequisite for the dedication feat.
Also, if you ever leave the organization all your feats and focus powers stop working, because you lose abilities you get when you don't meet their prerequisites anymore.
Joining an organization should not be a prerequisite because of these implications.
Another thing, a level 6 barbarian it's unable to retrain the level 2 feat to the student of perfection dedication because they were not an expert in unarmed attacks until level 5.
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You're assuming it is intended to plan out complicated builds rather than fix errors you made when levelling.
What shroud said, and I apologize for assuming it was obvious to everyone the rules were talking about mechanical requirements because the example given in the book was about what levels the feats in question were, not whether the character's story at that particular level involved particular details.
Well they give the example of the you not being able to take a feat of a different level, which is obvious. But after that there's the text "or for one that requires prerequisites you didn’t meet at the time you took the original feat". The prerequisites are not the level requirements, there's an "or" in that sentence.
I feel like the prerequisites you need to have met at the time of the feat are things like "proficiency level" or "you have a high enough stat to meet the multiclass dedication". Not something like "you can't find a Hellknight to witness you singlehandedly killing a higher level devil for a while."
Well they give the example of the you not being able to take a feat of a different level, which is obvious.It's kinda not though... yes, it might seem obvious given your particular familiarity with this and/or other games, but for someone who has never read an RPG before coming in and reading the retraining rules, other than providing the example using level as they do, there is nothing in the text that explicitly says you can't retrain all your options based on the level your character currently happens to be - which is a thing that could seem to line up with the general rule of being able to select an option of your current level or lower every time you are picking out a new option.
That said, after reading the feat in question again and seeing that I was remembering their being a clear split between the mechanical requirements and the story requirements... I can propose what I view as a fix: anything mechanical in nature required goes in the requirements section. Any story requirement gets moved over to the "acess" section with the other story requirements already present there.
Ah, I meant it was obvious given they gave that example explicitly. I didn't mean it was obvious without the example. And that would be a great fix I think.
You're assuming it is intended to plan out complicated builds rather than fix errors you made when levelling.
I mean, there are feats that depreciate in power as you level and stuff like multiclassing which care about the order in which you take the feats, so retraining as a way to manage complex builds definitely seems intended to at least some degree.
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Retraining should not be possible at all.
This just give option to exchange a feature that you took because of lack of knowing how mechanics for your class Works.
It is pretty generous.
If for example a fighter joins a house of perfection at level 7, they would be unable to retrain their 2nd, 4th, or 6th level class feats take the student of perfection dedication feat because they were not a member of a house of perfection at level 2, 4, or 6.
This is because of the text in the retraining section on page 481 "When retraining, you generally can’t make choices you couldn’t make when you selected the original
option. For instance, you can’t exchange a 2nd-level
skill feat for a 4th-level one, or for one that requires
prerequisites you didn’t meet at the time you took the
original feat."So you did not meet the prerequisite at levels 2, 4 or 6 because you were not a member of a house of perfection yet.
This seems harsher than intended.
This makes sense. The solution would be to try getting into the dedication earlier and then retrain things.