Mountain Stance requirement (book actually says "trigger" instead of requirement, but I guess that's an errata) states "touching the ground". Stances are supposed to end when you no longer meet their requirements. If I jump while in Mountain Stance, does the stance end? What about running? Being shoved and thrown? Is a ladder "the ground"? What about a staircase, or a roof?
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No, this is why it's a trigger not a requirement. In order to use the action to enter mountain stance you need to be standing on the ground, but if you jump, fall in the water, or whatever it doesn't turn off.
touching the ground seems a rough requirement
On forcing the stance to end, I'd say:
jump- yes
running- no
shoved- no
thrown- probably yes, but I'm not sure where the rules for throwing creatures are
ladders- yes
stairs- yes
roof- yes
(well, mostly yes for those three. if they're features on natural terrain- stairs carved into rock, a rope ladder along a cliff wall, then no)
also
being carried (and riding), yes
Its a stance that's going to be more problematic at higher levels, as more esoteric effects and terrain happen.
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No, this is why it's a trigger not a requirement. In order to use the action to enter mountain stance you need to be standing on the ground, but if you jump, fall in the water, or whatever it doesn't turn off.
To be clear, this has been mentioned by people at Paizo as their intent, so it's not speculative.
No, this is why it's a trigger not a requirement. In order to use the action to enter mountain stance you need to be standing on the ground, but if you jump, fall in the water, or whatever it doesn't turn off.To be clear, this has been mentioned by people at Paizo as their intent, so it's not speculative.
I see! When I read the definition for "trigger" it only mentioned free actions and reactions. Coupled with the fact that every other stance has "prerequisites" defined, I assumed it was a mistake. Glad to see it wasn't and Mountain Stance is not that easy to lose.
Thank you very much!
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Cool. I haven't seen Deadmanwalking on the front page in quite a while.
As far as officially clarified, I am not sure what people on this thread are meaning by 'trigger'. Mountain Stance in the CRB (both on AoN and in my 4th printing pdf copy) is currently listed as having a 'requirement' of touching the ground.
Personally I would rule that to be based on game mechanics, not IRL physics. As long as the 5-foot square that you occupy is on the ground, or something large and solid and not moving relative to the battlefield grid, then the requirements are met.
Jumping would break the stance, but being tripped would not. Even if the opponent describes the trip as a shove that knocks you off your feet and you end up in the air for a brief half second or so.
But that is my thoughts on it - not some sort of official clarification.
As far as officially clarified, I am not sure what people on this thread are meaning by 'trigger'. Mountain Stance in the CRB (both on AoN and in my 4th printing pdf copy) is currently listed as having a 'requirement' of touching the ground.
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It was a Trigger in the first printing, but in 2020 the second printing changed it to a Requirement. Most of these posts are from 2019 before that change occurred. It remained a Requirement in both subsequent printings.