
Vidmaster7 |
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Shuri is the one in black panther Riri is the new generation Iron man being trained by the AI stark made in his own image to train her before he died. basically the equivalent to all the newbies in training. (champions good series!) (I can't remember how but I feel like cpt marvel was involved somehow. Also he's back now but may be a clone... )

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Me I'm cool with having Riri on TV since she's like the third best mechanic engineer in the Marvel Comics. Plus that arc they're basing it off of is pretty sweet.
I'm "meh" on Riri Williams, much as I am with many of the teenage heroes that have been introduced over the years. I didn't used to be, so I guess it's a product of getting older and crankier.
That being said, the right actress and decent writing I could watch it. At the least, my kids might like it.

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I'm "meh" on Riri Williams, much as I am with many of the teenage heroes that have been introduced over the years. I didn't used to be, so I guess it's a product of getting older and crankier.
I don't think the writing has done her any favors. I'm usually a huge fan of new teen characters, and love Snowguard and Red Locust, for instance (and tons of other, more obscure teen heroes, like Striker, Finesse, Reptil, Hardball, Gorilla Girl, Komodo, Dust, Hellion, Loa, Bling!, Synch, Io/Crescent, etc., etc.), but Riri just doesn't do it for me. She reminds me of Bentley, from the Future Foundation, and it might just be the era that we are living in that makes me shy away from people who seem *too* sure of themselves...
That said, comic book Deadpool did nothing for me, and I'm loving the Deadpool movies, so who knows what is possible!

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Aberzombie wrote:I'm "meh" on Riri Williams, much as I am with many of the teenage heroes that have been introduced over the years. I didn't used to be, so I guess it's a product of getting older and crankier.I don't think the writing has done her any favors. I'm usually a huge fan of new teen characters, and love Snowguard and Red Locust, for instance (and tons of other, more obscure teen heroes, like Striker, Finesse, Reptil, Hardball, Gorilla Girl, Komodo, Dust, Hellion, Loa, Bling!, Synch, Io/Crescent, etc., etc.), but Riri just doesn't do it for me. She reminds me of Bentley, from the Future Foundation, and it might just be the era that we are living in that makes me shy away from people who seem *too* sure of themselves...
That said, comic book Deadpool did nothing for me, and I'm loving the Deadpool movies, so who knows what is possible!
Like I said, I'm not big on teenage characters these days. My local shop put Future Foundation #1 in my box because I'm getting Fantastic Four. I put it right back on the shelf.
Deadpool in the comics is hit or miss. Some writers have definitely handled him better. I think the best I ever saw was an opening sequence where some soldiers are chasing him through the jungle, and he's narrating through the panels, and it isn't until page 2 or 3 when one of the soldiers asks the others what Deadpool is saying you realize his narrating is done "out loud". Can't remember who the writer was, but I thought that was some funny s%++.

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I like Future Foundation because it had promise and while this next version MIGHT not be for everyone, I liked it better than when they had Scott Lang running the show. At least in some points. Also the teenaged up Bentley/Wizard clone is pretty alright. Also cool is they brought back one of the better 90s creations in Rebecca "Rikki" Barnes.
Vid,
With regards to Reed building things, sure he BUILDS stuff but much of it comes with the whole 'This is theoretically possible" not necessarily "This advanced engineering by x amount."
PDK,
As Vid previously stated (and if you watched the Black Panther movie) Shuri is T'Challa's sister and some times rival for the mantle of Black Panther. She is a tech genius...but so is her brother so it's kind of a wash who is the better 'technologist" in my view.
A-zombie,
The fact you still hold out hope for good DC comics makes me wonder some times if you're not a huge gronard. But not liking Future Foundation and Riri doesn't mean I think you're THAT old...You're still cranky though.

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I'm not a grognard and currently LOVING what DC is doing right now. Granted, perhaps not in the realms of current comics, but certainly on-screen. Pennyworth is a gem. Doom Patrol is a national treasure.
I've always pigeon-holed myself as a 'Marvel guy' in the past because I've always been 'meh' about the humongous focus on Batman and the dozens of Robins in his footsteps, but then Marvel went ahead and completely screwed the X-Men and Spider-Man comics beyond repair to the point that the characters are now only viable on-screen and a hopeless cause in print. I honestly would NOT want the 'canon guy' job at Marvel... they basically play 'pin the tail on the donkey' in that writers' room: no other explanation can yield such a mess.
So due to my love of the Doom Patrol and Titans show, I went and splurged and bought Vol. 1 and 2 Doom Patrol graphic novels (which compiles all the essential Doom Patrol comics from the past). It's a pure blast to read, so much so that I've decided to do the same for other obscure titles I was never able to collect in my younger days. Graphic novels approach is the way to go these days, due to the years and years of canon mess inflicted by the 'writer of the month' approach perpetuated by both DC and Marvel along the last three decades.

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A-zombie,The fact you still hold out hope for good DC comics makes me wonder some times if you're not a huge gronard…..
By someone's definition, I probably am. Thankfully, I've reached the point where I pretty much don't give a flying rat's limp dick what other people think about me.
And, yes. I do still hold out hope for good DC stuff. I've been collecting long enough (30+ years) to see the pendulum swing back and forth for both companies. Sometimes one is better than the other. Sometimes they both suck big hairy goat testicles. Rarely, they both offer a lot of good stuff.
Ultimately, I am both (and neither) DC and Marvel. I have my favorites from each company (Batman, Flash, Captain America, Ghost Rider, for some examples), and I have characters I almost never regularly collect (Wonder Woman and Superman are good examples). As long as someone is telling good stories (with good art), I'm happy.

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I agree. Editorial policy certainly affects the quality, though those policies change over time, but there are always good creators and good comics working at both companies. Often the same creators swapping back and forth.
The trick is finding the gems.
The other trick is not getting sucked into the continuity and trying to follow everything, especially the big events. Because there's also a lot of drek out there and trying to read it all will just make you turn away entirely.

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Ultimately, I am both (and neither) DC and Marvel. I have my favorites from each company (Batman, Flash, Captain America, Ghost Rider, for some examples), and I have characters I almost never regularly collect (Wonder Woman and Superman are good examples). As long as someone is telling good stories (with good art), I'm happy.
Ditto. I criticize a DC movie and hear, 'Oh, but you liked the Avengers, so you're biased against DC!' and I'm like, 'My favorite comic book property *ever,* the Legion of Super-Heroes, is DC, and I love me some Justice Society, Teen Titans, Young Justice, etc. Don't even go there. What I am biased against is movies that I don't enjoy.'

Thomas Seitz |
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I'm biased in the sense I want Thor to be awesome always,
But in any case, we'll see if Young Avengers makes it on to TV screens in 2020 or 2021...
As for DC, yes their TV content (and a few movies) have done well...but honestly I think the health of something is defined by how good the comics are. Right now, for me, that's Marvel.
I understand that X-men continity is kind of wonky, PKD, but I REALLY think you need to see what Hickman is doing with House of X/Powers of X series. It's REALLY good. Like better than Claremont in my book.

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I wish DC could get their collective heads out of their collective asses and develop a decent shared cinematic universe. At this point, however, it's like pissing in the wind.
What they need is their own version of Kevin Feige.
I'd be fine with a serious of excellent standalone movies about specific characters (or teams!, Hello Young Justice or Teen Titans or Justice Society!), with little or no shared universe at all, if they could accomplish that instead.
Just so long as those standalone movies aren't The Batman, Batman Lives, Batman Undying, Batman Inc., Revenge of the Bat, a Superman movie, six more Batman movies, Crisis on Infinite Batmen, and another Superman movie.
I'm kinda ready for movies about Vixen and Booster Gold, instead. Or even slightly more mainstream characters like Black Canary or the Hawks.
I want to see another Batman movie almost as much as I want to see another X-Men movie that's all about Xavier and Magneto's bromance, Wolverine's manpain, and Jennifer Lawrence being a spunky idealistic nothing-at-all-like-Mystique. :/

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Just as a heads-up for DC Enthusiasts, "Joker" just won the Cannes Film Festival - now that is a first for a superhero movie (Comics got some recognition already for "Blue is the warmest Color"). And it could steer DC on a new path, not trying the whole shared universe stuff too hard, but rather concentrate on great standalone stories.
Because, by Thor I hope they do not try to get the Joaquin Phoenix Joker into the Robert Pattinson Batman movie, that can only result in a mess...

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Just so long as those standalone movies aren't The Batman, Batman Lives, Batman Undying, Batman Inc., Revenge of the Bat, a Superman movie, six more Batman movies, Crisis on Infinite Batmen, and another Superman movie.
Exactly!!! I think that's been another of the big obstacles to DC having as successful a movie-verse. For too long they've relied on Batman and Superman to the exclusion of many other wonderful characters.
I was hoping the success of Aquaman and Wonder Woman would help get them pointed in the right direction, but I keep hearing that Ezra Miller is still slated to be Flash in a stand alone movie, soooo.....

Tectorman |

Thomas Seitz wrote:….the route of Heavy Metal Batmen...And now I have a picture in my head of Batman playing a flamethrower guitar while riding on a platform built onto the front of the Batmobile.
They've already done that. It was the opening fight sequence in Lego Batman and it was awesome.

GM PDK |

I've always like more marvel character's more then DC except superman and batman. without those 2 DC would have nothing on Marvel. (for me that is)
I've also been more a marvel guy myself, until the last few months. I think DC is gonna give Marvel a serious attempt at competition in the years to come. Check out Titan and Doom Patrol (Netflix and Showcase respectively) and let me know what you think.

GM PDK |

The comics are very similar to the show in style, but the stories/adventures are different. In essence, the show's adventures are sufficiently different than the comic's that they could be considered 'new' adventures or in some instances a sequel. And Brendan Fraser is simply amazing as Cliff Steele / Robotman.

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And Brendan Fraser is simply amazing as Cliff Steele / Robotman.
I am amazed at how much feeling he puts into that clunky robot. It reminds me how much I liked him in the first Mummy movie.
The dude playing Negative Man isn't really selling it as well, although I did get a giggle out of whoever cast a famously handsome actor for a role where he was going to have his face covered up with bandages half the time... "Hey, let's hire this famous singer with a gloriously smoky voice, *and not give her any speaking lines!* Tee hee!"
I was sad that Arani was introduced as part of the older Doom Patrol, since that means we aren't likely to see her again. I was kind of hoping that the young girl introduced in the Doom Patrol episode of the Titans (who seemed to have some sort of temperature controlling issue) would turn out to be Celsius, but it seems not.

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‘Silver Surfer’ Movie May Be In The Works At Marvel Studios
An interesting rumor. I'd love to see one.

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I have heard there is a rumor going around that Magneto would next be played by Denzel Washington. I find that interesting.
For one, I think his one villainous turn I've ever seen (Training Day) was magnificent, and he would totally kick ass in the role. On the other hand, I imagine they would have to rewrite the character's backstory to some extent. The Holocaust just wouldn't make sense anymore.

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I have heard there is a rumor going around that Magneto would next be played by Denzel Washington. I find that interesting.
For one, I think his one villainous turn I've ever seen (Training Day) was magnificent, and he would totally kick ass in the role.
On the one hand: I hope the rumor isn't true. I don't like the idea at all. Diversity in casting is needed, and different takes on characters can be interesting, but playing silly boogers with a long established character's basic elements for the sake of it? No.
On the other hand, I imagine they would have to rewrite the character's backstory to some extent. The Holocaust just wouldn't make sense anymore.
On the other hand: The Holocaust, having taken place 75-80 years ago, is no longer viable as an origin story anyway unless the movie is set several decades in the past. Also, there were black American, British and French POWs in concentration camps as well as POW camps, there just wasn't a systematic roundup of them as there was for Jews. Black soldiers were worked to death on construction projects or died as a result of mistreatment.

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On the other hand: The Holocaust, having taken place 75-80 years ago, is no longer viable as an origin story anyway unless the movie is set several decades in the past. Also, there were black American, British and French POWs in concentration camps as well as POW camps, there just wasn't a systematic roundup of them as there was for Jews. Black soldiers were worked to death on construction projects or died as a result of mistreatment.
Agreed. I was discussing much the same timeframe problem with the folks at my comic shop yesterday. It makes the character of Magneto a bit more problematic, even if you account for the de-aging/re-aging reset they did for him years ago. You kind of see the same thing with Iron Man and Punisher. They've been re-writing their origin stories to different, made-up conflicts, so they can then set it for whatever year keeps things relevant.
I don't recall my WWII history enough to know if they mixed POW camps and Concentration camps, but it seems likely. Then again, they could also write him as being a liberator of the camps with Patton's 3rd Army, and that having seen what was going on turned him radical.
Interestingly enough, I had a relative (great uncle) who survived a Nazi POW camp. There was also an old family friend who was part of 3rd Army.

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Then again, this is all rumor and speculation. I think the only known truth is that Disney really just wants to work with Denzel Washington.
One of the articles I saw said Giancarlo Esposito is another they want to get into the MCU. Since he's already worked for Disney on ABC and in the upcoming The Mandalorian, that one should be easy.

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I'd still like it if he was a) Jewish and b) part of his mutant power was the ability to not age as quickly as the rest...
Also Cap was almost 75 years ago and he's doing fine! :p :)
Well, there you go: just retcon Magento as a concentration camp test subject, recipient of a Nazi super soldier serum, frozen in ice for a few decades. Problem solved.

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I'm kind of amused that we're basically arguing that a black version of Magneto couldn't have been persecuted enough. :)
It's also worth remembering that for such an iconic, long standing part of the character, it originated pretty late and was in flux for a long time. Magneto's backstory is a huge retconned mess already. The holocaust connection didn't appear until well into Claremont's run - nearly 20 years after the character's first appearances. Even then it wasn't made explicit he was Jewish and some writers played up the Roma connections (to both the Holocaust and to the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver). It was quite a bit (and a few retcons) later that they seemed to have settled on a canon history.
Personally, I'd rather ditch the Holocaust connection than muck with him having a second mutant slow aging ability. He's supposed to have fairly early backstory connections to Xavier as well, so you'd either have to ditch those, make Xavier long-lived or totally recast them with him being a older mentor figure to Xavier rather than peers. And then what was he doing for the 60-70 years before the X-Men showed up to fight him?