Can you use the Flash Attack feat with Hand Crossbows or one handed fire arms (Pistols)?


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Can you use the Flash Attack feat with Hand Crossbows or one handed fire arms (Pistols)?

Flash Attack (Combat)
You use the small size and weight of two light weapons to attack with unmatched speed.
Prerequisite: Double Slice, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (any light weapon).
Benefit: When wielding two light weapons, you may attack once with each as a standard action, an attack of opportunity, as part of a charge, or as part of a Spring Attack. An unarmed strike counts as a light weapon.
Normal: You may only make a single attack of any type as a standard action

I made Gunslinger and I was wondering, I can pull two pistol shots with this feat.


Since pistols are one-handed but not light weapons, and the feat requires light weapons, no.


Not even with Lighten Weapon feat? Also that also left hand crossbows unanswered.

Lighten Weapon (Combat)
You can balance heavy weapons, making them easier to wield.

Prerequisite: Str 13, BAB +3.

Benefit: Choose one type of weapon. When using a weapon of that type you may reduce the effort required to wield it by one step but suffer a −2 penalty to hit with that weapon. This allows you to wield a weapon 1 size category larger as if it were your own size, use a two-handed weapon in one hand, or a one-handed as a light weapons.

Normal: Weapons 1 size category larger increase the effort required to wield them by one step: light becoming one-handed, one-handed becoming two-handed, and two-handed becoming un-wieldable. Two-handed weapons may not be used one-handed. Using a one-handed weapon in your off hand results in a −2 penalty to all of your attacks (in addition to other off-hand penalties that may apply).

Special: The effect of this feat does not stack with other feats that alter wielding effort or weapon size. You may take this feat multiple times, each time choosing a different type of weapon.


It appears it works with lighten weapon, and it doesn’t appear very problematic as ranged characters commonly combine movement with full attacks normally (mounts etc). This should be in the 3rd party product advice and rules question forum though.

Shadow Lodge

Lelomenia wrote:
It appears it works with lighten weapon, and it doesn’t appear very problematic as ranged characters commonly combine movement with full attacks normally (mounts etc). This should be in the 3rd party product advice and rules question forum though.

Projectile weapons (bows, crossbows, and firearms primarily) are not 'One Handed' weapons: They are 'Ranged' weapons, which is an entirely separate category.

Ranged weapons may require one hand (hand crossbow, pistols) or two hands (bows) to use, but they still do not fall into the 'one-handed' or 'two-handed' categories.

So, looking at Lighten Weapon's text:

  • This allows you to wield a weapon 1 size category larger as if it were your own size, (this applies to ranged weapons)
  • use a two-handed weapon in one hand, (this only applies to 'Two-handed weapons', not 'ranged weapons' that require two hands to use)
  • or a one-handed as a light weapons. (this only applies to 'One-handed weapons', not 'ranged weapons' that only require one hand to use)


You could always fight with a DOUBLE BARRELED PISTOL, which allows you to make 2 attacks at a -4 penalty as a standard action.

What you're proposing (if it worked) would give you 2 attacks at a -2 penalty as a standard action, but would cost you 2-3 more feats. I'm sure you could do something more useful with those feats.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Quote:
This allows you to wield ... or a one-handed as a light weapons.

That don't change the weapon category. It only changes how you wield it.

Flash attack wrote:
When wielding two light weapons ...

That require a2 light weapons, not two weapons that you can wield as if they were light weapons.

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