Threefold Conspiracy Theory, What Do We Know, And What Isn't The Man Telling Us About It.


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Exactly what the title says.

And.... Go!


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Obviously, the true evil masterminds are the Flumphs.

Second Seekers (Jadnura)

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"Only conspiracy theorist nuts call it the threefold conspiracy "


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Pay no attention, it's all just a corporate smear campaign!


Seriously though, did anyone catch what it's all about.

I assume it's Triune related, but knowing Paizo, it's probably more complicated than that.


Grays and Reptoids.


Wait, what?


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The newest announced AP is called Threefold Conspiracy Theory, and it's about Grays and Reptoids ("the Unseen") and their influence/plans. Or so someone who was at the Paizocon reveal said in a Discord I follow.

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So, will it be a 3 or a 6 volume one.
I personally hope for a 3.


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It will be six volumes:

Part 1: The Chimera Mystery (Jason Keeley)
Part 2: Flight of the Sleepers (Owen K.C. Stephens)
Part 3: Deceiver's Moon (Jason Tondro)
Part 4: The Hollow Cabal (Crystal Frazier)
Part 5: The Cradle Infestation (Vanessa Huskins)
Part 6: Puppets Without Strings (Landon Winkler)


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More Crystal goodness!


Of the half page threats listed in the Core RPG, we've now seen or had announced APs that significantly feature 4/6 of them. Only the Aspis Consortium and Dominion of the Black remain.


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Getting a lot of "Who Goes There" Vibes


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Zaister wrote:

It will be six volumes:

Part 1: The Chimera Mystery (Jason Keeley)
Part 2: Flight of the Sleepers (Owen K.C. Stephens)
Part 3: Deceiver's Moon (Jason Tondro)
Part 4: The Hollow Cabal (Crystal Frazier)
Part 5: The Cradle Infestation (Vanessa Huskins)
Part 6: Puppets Without Strings (Landon Winkler)

As a long time member of the community it's awesome to see the names of fellow long time members getting some work.

Congrats Landon!


captain yesterday wrote:
Zaister wrote:

It will be six volumes:

Part 1: The Chimera Mystery (Jason Keeley)
Part 2: Flight of the Sleepers (Owen K.C. Stephens)
Part 3: Deceiver's Moon (Jason Tondro)
Part 4: The Hollow Cabal (Crystal Frazier)
Part 5: The Cradle Infestation (Vanessa Huskins)
Part 6: Puppets Without Strings (Landon Winkler)

As a long time member of the community it's awesome to see the names of fellow long time members getting some work.

Congrats Landon!

Always good to see fresh talent!

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How do people from forum get work at paizo anyway? ._. I mean, I can't find any freelancer application guide page at paizo's site nowadays, but clearly it is still possible somehow


CorvusMask wrote:
How do people from forum get work at paizo anyway? ._. I mean, I can't find any freelancer application guide page at paizo's site nowadays, but clearly it is still possible somehow

There used to be ways. For instances, there was a contest and also a submission email but it's sort of cooled down as Paizo tries to change up it's products, which makes sense. The contest had a grand prize where you got a chance to write and publish a module....except Paizo had phased out modules so there wasn't much reason to have the contest anymore. Starfinder Society means that there's more call than ever to have more writers for Scenarios...but the first season was able to be handled by just a handful of writers for the first season, PFS 2nd Ed will probably be the same way so they probably don't need that much new talent right now. I expect most of the newer guys get their jobs in gaming the old fashioned way: they worked for gaming companies, either in other capacity or on a piecemeal basis, and worked their way up the ladder.


CorvusMask wrote:
How do people from forum get work at paizo anyway? ._. I mean, I can't find any freelancer application guide page at paizo's site nowadays, but clearly it is still possible somehow

Writing PFS and SFS scenarios, and 3rd party publishers.

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Can't find info on how to write for Society scenarios either?


They used to have an area for submissions for PFS.

Maybe try to contact someone directly.

Second Seekers (Jadnura)

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In one of the April Starfinder Wednesday Episodes, when John and Tonya were on, they talked about how to break in to writing for Society! I don't have a timestamp, but I'm fairly certain that somewhere in this video they spend a few minutes talking about how to "get noticed" by the developers, why sending unsolicited stuff to them is a bad idea, and more.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/413020811?collection=n1DHSvHjTRXGAA

Grand Lodge

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These are fantastic questions, which I'll cover in my next Craft (Adventure) blog.

For now, let me direct you to this awesome thread that has some great advice, including joining Freelance Forge.

Meanwhile... they sadly misspelled my name. *sniff*

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Vanessa Hoskins wrote:

These are fantastic questions, which I'll cover in my next Craft (Adventure) blog.

For now, let me direct you to this awesome thread that has some great advice, including joining Freelance Forge.

Meanwhile... they sadly misspelled my name. *sniff*

*hugs*


Vanessa Hoskins wrote:

These are fantastic questions, which I'll cover in my next Craft (Adventure) blog.

For now, let me direct you to this awesome thread that has some great advice, including joining Freelance Forge.

Meanwhile... they sadly misspelled my name. *sniff*

It could be worse, I have a Welsh last name, so EVERYONE misspells my name.

You'll be surprised to know, Captain Yesterday isn't my real name.

Grand Lodge

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Oh!

:: Hmm reads Vanessa's networking blog.

Nice. Now I know what to do at the next PaizoCon!

Hmm

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Hmm wrote:

Oh!

:: Hmm reads Vanessa's networking blog.

Nice. Now I know what to do at the next PaizoCon!

Hmm

Ahem... I prefer you call that post a "the half-mad ramblings of a sleep deprived woman," but it's not a requirement.

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After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.


Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.

Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.


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thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.

While what the theories purport are false, the people who believe them, and worse, act on them are very much real.

This goes further when said theories are used to demonize real marginalized groups of people.

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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.

While what the theories purport are false, the people who believe them, and worse, act on them are very much real.

This goes further when said theories are used to demonize real marginalized groups of people.

You have the right of it, Rysky. How do you satirize harmful tropes without indulging in them to an extent? What I'm saying is that Paizo's going to need to tread very carefully with this. Since Crystal's writing for it, that puts me a little at ease, I trust her. I hope I'm wrong.


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.

While what the theories purport are false, the people who believe them, and worse, act on them are very much real.

This goes further when said theories are used to demonize real marginalized groups of people.

You have the right of it, Rysky. How do you satirize harmful tropes without indulging in them to an extent? What I'm saying is that Paizo's going to need to tread very carefully with this. Since Crystal's writing for it, that puts me a little at ease, I trust her. I hope I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong: Conspiracy Theorists are usually a noxious cocktail of racism, extremist views, anti intellectualism, and pseudo science mixed with either untreated mental illness or exploitative greed or both.

But the actual theories that those people come up with are...I mean, they are just genuinely funny. They fall apart with even a basic application of critical thinking. Whenever I'm feeling sad or downtrodden about my day, I tune my radio to Ground Zero or Coast to Coast AM and I just *sigh* I laugh. I just laugh my self to sleep.

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Umm, I haven't really seen fictional takes on conspiracy theories encouraging the real conspiracy theorists, unless you are talking about how making fun of conspiracy theorists makes people underestimate harm real ones can cause?

I mean, that is kinda like how cassowaries and hippos kill lot of people who don't realize they are dangerous, I guess? I think this is one of those cases where most of people don't see anything wrong with using hippos in your media, but people whose close relatives got harmed by them would be way more upset? ._.


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CorvusMask wrote:

Umm, I haven't really seen fictional takes on conspiracy theories encouraging the real conspiracy theorists, unless you are talking about how making fun of conspiracy theorists makes people underestimate harm real ones can cause?

I mean, that is kinda like how cassowaries and hippos kill lot of people who don't realize they are dangerous, I guess? I think this is one of those cases where most of people don't see anything wrong with using hippos in your media, but people whose close relatives got harmed by them would be way more upset? ._.

While not to be trifled with, cassawaries kill someone every couple of years.

But Hippos are killing machines. They are large, WAY faster than people think, and absurdly aggressive and territorial. I'd rather cover myself in BBQ sauce and run through an aligator farm than deal with one mildy annoyed hippo. They kill 500 people a year and remember, they only live in parts of one continent.

Cracked has some thoughts on this...

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

Umm, I haven't really seen fictional takes on conspiracy theories encouraging the real conspiracy theorists, unless you are talking about how making fun of conspiracy theorists makes people underestimate harm real ones can cause?

I mean, that is kinda like how cassowaries and hippos kill lot of people who don't realize they are dangerous, I guess? I think this is one of those cases where most of people don't see anything wrong with using hippos in your media, but people whose close relatives got harmed by them would be way more upset? ._.

While not to be trifled with, cassawaries kill someone every couple of years.

But Hippos are killing machines. They are large, WAY faster than people think, and absurdly aggressive and territorial. I'd rather cover myself in BBQ sauce and run through an aligator farm than deal with one mildy annoyed hippo. They kill 500 people a year and remember, they only live in parts of one continent.

Cracked has some thoughts on this...

Hey, cassowaries might only kill couple of people in couple years, but there are many attacks by them, including them straight up charging and chasing people :p Those things are really frightening as well.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Cracked has some thoughts on this...

Ah, Cracked.com, home of obscure knowledge and David Wong's pitiless wit.

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CorvusMask wrote:

Umm, I haven't really seen fictional takes on conspiracy theories encouraging the real conspiracy theorists, unless you are talking about how making fun of conspiracy theorists makes people underestimate harm real ones can cause?

I mean, that is kinda like how cassowaries and hippos kill lot of people who don't realize they are dangerous, I guess? I think this is one of those cases where most of people don't see anything wrong with using hippos in your media, but people whose close relatives got harmed by them would be way more upset? ._.

That isn't quite what I'm talking about. It's more that, given reptoids origins as an anti-Semitic dogwhistle (not just from David Icke claiming people like the Rothschilds are aliens from Draco, it goes back all the way to Helena Blavatsky claiming Jewish people are descended from "dragon-men" from the lost continent of Lemuria), I can't really figure out how Paizo would portray reptoids in a way that isn't kind of a smack in the face to Jewish people who play Starfinder...


The wikipedia article puts the origins and developing history 70 years before the David Icke source article. One wonders what conspiracy theory would explain your desire to ignore that and spin it this way.


Because Icke’s antisemetic take is the most popularized version, so to speak. Most modern versions tie into it.


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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Because Icke’s antisemetic take is the most popularized version, so to speak. Most modern versions tie into it.

This is indeed true but one figures Paizo will lean more towards the "V" Tv series to avoid that.


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I can't really figure out how Paizo would portray reptoids in a way that isn't kind of a smack in the face to Jewish people who play Starfinder...

Wouldn't calling peoples conspiracy theory as much horsefeathers and as made up as vesk, ysoki, drift travel, calden cayden, and golarion be a slap in the face to the conspiracy theory, not the people the conspiracy theory wants to hurt?


Thankfully I'm unfamiliar with the writer so I have no idea what you're all talking about.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Wouldn't calling peoples conspiracy theory as much horsefeathers and as made up as vesk, ysoki, drift travel, calden cayden, and golarion be a slap in the face to the conspiracy theory, not the people the conspiracy theory wants to hurt?

Certainly how I feel about it.

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Thankfully I'm unfamiliar with the writer so I have no idea what you're all talking about.

You aren't missing much. Basically this ex-pro athlete from Great Britain named David Icke suffered some sort of psychotic break and started crazily endorsing a lot of crazy nonsense. His most famous claim was that all of the really important people in the world are really reptile aliens wearing people suits (Yes, exactly like the TV show). Now, most of the people he accuses of being reptile aliens tend to be rich and Jewish and Icke's been (correctly) accused of being an anti-Semite.

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I mean, aliens infiltrating as important politicians and famous people is common enough trope that I don't think you have to link it to the offensive versions. Like, its commonly used enough that I think lot of non americans don't even know its origins.


CorvusMask wrote:
I mean, aliens infiltrating as important politicians and famous people is common enough trope that I don't think you have to link it to the offensive versions. Like, its commonly used enough that I think lot of non americans don't even know its origins.

Especially since the origins go back well before Icke's conspiracy theory. And it's long been used in fiction without more than the loosest reference to the anti-semitic versions.


thejeff wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
I mean, aliens infiltrating as important politicians and famous people is common enough trope that I don't think you have to link it to the offensive versions. Like, its commonly used enough that I think lot of non americans don't even know its origins.
Especially since the origins go back well before Icke's conspiracy theory. And it's long been used in fiction without more than the loosest reference to the anti-semitic versions.

Icke himself just ripped off "V".

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thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.

except when they are real...

Acquisitives

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seriously Paizo?!

I've been working on a homebrew mega-campaign and FIRST they take the Azlanti, and NOW they take the Reptoids. Both of which were supposed to be in MY MEGA-HOMEBREW EPIC CAMPAIGN.

This is super messed up.


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Yakman wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.
except when they are real...

Not with a ten foot pole am I touching that.

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thecursor wrote:
Yakman wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.
except when they are real...

Not with a ten foot pole am I touching that.

the truth is out there


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Yakman wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Yakman wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.
except when they are real...

Not with a ten foot pole am I touching that.

the truth is out there

it's not the only thing....

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