When do you count as having a class feature?

[Vinnie Bandar]

If a class archetype gives you access to another class's class feature, does that count for the purposes of feat prerequisites? For example, the shaman archetype Speaker For the Past lets you choose oracle revelations (the archetype ability is named "Revelations of the Past"). Does this count as having the revelation class feature for the purposes of the Revelation Strike feat?

[willuwontu]

You count as having a class feature, when your class provides you a class feature with that name, or a class feature that says it counts as that class feature.

I do not believe the shaman archetype qualifies for the feat.

[PCScipio]

The rules don't really say; best to ask you GM.

FWIW, HeroLab allows you to select the Extra Revelation feat for a Speaker for the Past Shaman, although that doesn't prove anything.

[Adjoint]

The whole point of saying 'having a revelation class feature' instead of having 'having oracle level 1' is because an archetype for a different class can give you revelation class feature.

Basically, archetype is a modified class. In this case it's a class that has revelation class feature starting from level 4. So as soon as you hit level 4, and have Improved Unarmed Strike, you qualify for the Revelation Strike feat.

[Melkiador]

Sean isn't with the design team anymore, but he can show original intent

He says a LOT more about it, but this is the most condensed version of what he had to say.

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

And that means things like Improved Channel and Alignment Channel and Extra Channel should apply equally to the cleric, life oracle, and paladin .... Because to do otherwise means we need different versions of these feats for oracles and paladins because under the strictest interpretation, neither of them has a class ability that's specifically and explicitly named "channel energy;" and three sets of redundant identical feats for clerics, oracles, and paladins is lame and a waste of space.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

[Java Man]

For added perspective look at the primalist bloodrager archetype and how it spwcifically calls out that getting rage powers does not, in this case, count as having the rage power feature for PQs. This implies that without that language it would. Which in turn implies that other archetypes that grant cross class powers do count.

[Ryze Kuja]

You count as having the class feature at the exact level that you gain that class feature, not before. E.g. Slayers don't have Sneak Attack and cannot take feats that require Sneak Attack as a prereq until they gain Sneak Attack at lvl 3