In the player’s guide product thread for Iron Gods, James Jacobs said Androids are sterile. I don’t know if it has been said in a book or not, but as far as I know, it doesn’t seem it has been contradicted. This would imply they cannot have children for Racial Heritage (Android) to kick in. But the rules don’t actually say this is disallowed. So. Should this be allowed?
Androids don't reproduce, but new souls "reincarnate" into the same Android body in a process called "Renewal".
So yes, eventually we should see an Android heritage, but probably not going to be one of the first ones to be given rules.
Claxon wrote: Androids don't reproduce, but new souls "reincarnate" into the same Android body in a process called "Renewal".
So yes, eventually we should see an Android heritage, but probably not going to be one of the first ones to be given rules.
I meant more along the lines of the human feat “Racial Heritage”, should it be allowed to select Android as an option, even though Androids can’t normally reproduce to create such a heritage in humans?
By the rules, the answer is yes, but by the lore, the answer should be no.
Sorry, I was thinking this was for PF2 and thought you were asking if Android would be an available race.
I had terms confused in my head.
As far as the legality of it, I would just ask your GM and go with whatever they're ok with.
Perhaps in their universe androids can reproduce.
The base android in Pathfinder isn't purely synthetic, they're still a living organism that requires nutrients and has metabolic processes, so short of being specifically mentioned to be sterile there isn't a reason they couldn't reproduce.
It would very much be a Battlestar Galactica Cylon child (Hera Agathon) situation.
Maybe you have symbiotic nanites running through your family's veins dating back to a certain, ah, event.
Androids are explicitly infertile in their article in the first part of Iron Gods. It's definitely canon.
Not sure I see any point to selecting Android for racial heritage though. There's a grand total of ONE feat that doesn't require an android racial trait (Alien Mindpathes) and it has 3 other race options. No Android-only magic items or FCB have been printed either. As far as I can tell this is strictly worse than picking kasatha, lashunta, or triaxian. Indeed, it may even be strictly worse than just losing your feat since you're vulnerable to anything that specifically targets androids (though most stuff targets their Constructed trait).
What are the conditions for reincarnation in PF's setting? I know there are some cases of it. How about an Android as one of your past lives?
For the purposes of what you're discussing, where Racial Heritage indicates some racial link between one race and another in the past, and also bearing in mind that with magic, divine intervention, certain super-specific events and occurrences (GM discretion), anything is possible, ie. android giving birth or even being born. No.
Androids don't give birth, they don't have any racial connection to any other race whatsoever. They are their own, very distinct form of life and race. They are greatly similar in appearance to humans, but are expressly NOT human, even superficially. Every organ, hair fiber, skin cell, and nerve is specifically completely artificial (despite being designed to mimic a human form).
I don't see any way another race (like a human), could claim any real link to the android race.
There's a Nanite Bloodline:
"Your conception was marked by the alien influence of Numeria. Either you were born from one of the forgewombs scattered throughout the wastelands, or you were infected by nanites, which now course through your blood."
Racial Heritage would be flavored a similar way. There's no RAW reason for it not to work, and it's easy enough to manufacture a backstory to explain it.
deuxhero wrote: Androids are explicitly infertile in their article in the first part of Iron Gods. It's definitely canon.
Not sure I see any point to selecting Android for racial heritage though. There's a grand total of ONE feat that doesn't require an android racial trait (Alien Mindpathes) and it has 3 other race options. No Android-only magic items or FCB have been printed either. As far as I can tell this is strictly worse than picking kasatha, lashunta, or triaxian. Indeed, it may even be strictly worse than just losing your feat since you're vulnerable to anything that specifically targets androids (though most stuff targets their Constructed trait).
What are the conditions for reincarnation in PF's setting? I know there are some cases of it. How about an Android as one of your past lives?
Eyes of Mind Reading allows an Android to use it better if they use their Nanite Surge ability. The Sorcerer Bloodline Nanite gives a Nanite Surge bloodline ability, so you can do this.
Nanite Revival is a trait Androids can take.
Mythic Racial Heritage lets you take a racial trait from the race you chose with Racial Heritage. So you could take Constructed, Emotionless, Exceptional Senses, Nanite Surge, or Repairing Nanites. If you choose Nanite Surge, since it is the racial trait version, you can take the feat Nanite Disruption.
Empathy would allow an undead human to benefit from morale bonuses. So you could have a barbarian vampire now.
And there is the Alien Mindpaths feat you spoke of.
I would hardly call all of that just one feat. Hell, the Undead usage of Empathy is easily top tier game synergy due to all that it opens up.
Now I am not clear what you're asking? Are you asking if a human could take Racial Heritage (human) and select android, or are you asking if there will be a Racial Heritage (android) that androids can select to be considered a different humanoid race?
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Empathy would allow an undead human to benefit from morale bonuses. So you could have a barbarian vampire now. How would this work? A human can't take Empathy (unless you are letting them count as an android) and even if they did, their immunity to emotion and morale effects comes from their undead creature type, not the emotionless trait that is altered by this feat.
If you somehow had an undead android, they'd be just as immune to such effects as any other undead, regardless of if they had emotionless or not (although in the case of not having emotionless, they wouldn't have a –4 to Sense Motive).
Pizza Lord wrote: Now I am not clear what you're asking? Are you asking if a human could take Racial Heritage (human) and select android, or are you asking if there will be a Racial Heritage (android) that androids can select to be considered a different humanoid race?
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Empathy would allow an undead human to benefit from morale bonuses. So you could have a barbarian vampire now. How would this work? A human can't take Empathy (unless you are letting them count as an android) and even if they did, their immunity to emotion and morale effects comes from their undead creature type, not the emotionless trait that is altered by this feat.
If you somehow had an undead android, they'd be just as immune to such effects as any other undead, regardless of if they had emotionless or not (although in the case of not having emotionless, they wouldn't have a –4 to Sense Motive).
You lost me. I was responding to a different person saying that there was only one feat that a human with Racial Heritage (Android) could benefit from, and I listed all the other things they could take.
Empathy specifically says you can benefit from morale bonuses. Normally this counters the Emotionless racial trait of Androids, but a human with Racial Heritage (Android) doesn’t have that, so it gives them the ability to benefit from morale bonuses a second time. The first time is removed with being an undead, but the second time is still there.
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