Is it possible to up the size on a weapon?


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My character is wielding a masterwork +1 huge great sword, and lightning struck my sword which caused it to be broken. I am getting it fixed by a blacksmith, but I was wondering if it is possible to have him up the size from a huge +1 greatsword to a +1 gigantic greatsword?


Just have him make a large greatsword if that's what you want. You could also have an enlarge person with permanency added, I suppose, but that would probably have to include the wielder.


Gonna have to say no to that. A broken weapon must be disassembled and reforged. You can't just add extra metal onto it. It's not a Lego set. Once a piece of metal has been forged, worked a and tempered, you can't add onto it or drastically change it's fundamental nature. Unless you melt it down and use it for scrap, but at that point you're making a new item anyway.

Also, I have to ask...what sort of character is wielding a greatsword designed for a Huge creature, and also somehow has the ability to wield a Gargantuan-sized one with equal ease?

Not even going to touch the idea that lighting striking a sword would break it.


Deathskull90 wrote:
My character is wielding a masterwork +1 huge great sword, and lightning struck my sword which caused it to be broken. I am getting it fixed by a blacksmith, but I was wondering if it is possible to have him up the size from a huge +1 greatsword to a +1 gigantic greatsword?

I hate to be That Guy, but you need to ask your DM.

Player Characters can't use Huge weapons except in very specific, rare cases, and I'm not aware of any case where they can use Gargantuan weapons (one size up from Huge). Lightning is energy damage, which objects (your sword) take less damage from, and since it's +1 it would have more hit points than normal, and if you were carrying it you're entitled to a Reflex save for half damage, and if you're not, then the sword itself still gets a save, because rules. Even if it gained the Broken condition, it's easily repaired with a simple spell like mending. If a weapon is completely sundered, in theory you can use make whole at caster level 3rd because it's a +1 weapon.

Point is that your whole circumstance is massively off the rails in terms of rules as they are written. Ask your DM since this is obviously a "make stuff up that makes us happy" game, which is entirely valid.


You can use gargantuan weapons by being able to hold huge weapons and then casting enlarge person. It might also be possible with giant form, if whatever let you hold said weapon still works with shape change.

As for how to hold huge weapon without 3rd party well, a titan mauler or titan fighter big hands tiefling can possibly do it. Bastard sword definetly helps a bit.


Just going to point out, Mending only works on very light objects. 1 pound per level. And if the item being repaired is enchanted you have to be equal to its CL.

Make Whole should work...if you hare high enough level. To repair a destroyed magic item the caster needs to be double the CL of the item. That is only 6th level for a +1 enchantment.

If you want a larger sword, make a new sword. If you are going to use some sort of magic to grow, any equipment you have on you will grow too. If you just want a bigger weapon...you probably can't wield it. The rules say you literally can't wield something that is 2-handed and above your size. You have to have something that says you can wield a larger weapon.


Deathskull90 wrote:
My character is wielding a masterwork +1 huge great sword, and lightning struck my sword which caused it to be broken. I am getting it fixed by a blacksmith, but I was wondering if it is possible to have him up the size from a huge +1 greatsword to a +1 gigantic greatsword?

The magic sword had to be masterwork to be begin with. I don't understand how lightning could damage a metal sword. Maybe if it was magical lightning?

The blacksmith could not size up the sword. They'd have to add extra material to the sword, and that material isn't magic, so you'd end up with a huge sword that isn't magic, isn't masterwork, and too big for you to wield. If you want a big sword, you would need to buy a big magic sword, which probably isn't possible unless you take some appropriate Titan classes.


Temperans wrote:

You can use gargantuan weapons by being able to hold huge weapons and then casting enlarge person. It might also be possible with giant form, if whatever let you hold said weapon still works with shape change.

As for how to hold huge weapon without 3rd party well, a titan mauler or titan fighter big hands tiefling can possibly do it. Bastard sword definetly helps a bit.

Big Hands specifically only lets you wield large weapons. Additionally, titan fighter/mauler only let you wield weapons 1 size category larger than your character. They do not stack.


willuwontu wrote:
Temperans wrote:

You can use gargantuan weapons by being able to hold huge weapons and then casting enlarge person. It might also be possible with giant form, if whatever let you hold said weapon still works with shape change.

As for how to hold huge weapon without 3rd party well, a titan mauler or titan fighter big hands tiefling can possibly do it. Bastard sword definetly helps a bit.

Big Hands specifically only lets you wield large weapons. Additionally, titan fighter/mauler only let you wield weapons 1 size category larger than your character. They do not stack.

Well I did say possibly as I wasn't sure on how the rules interact. I always figured that when using big hand you are treated as large for holding an oversized weapon so titan mauler/fighter would be 1 size bigger.

weapon size interactions are weird rules.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

The person and the weapon is always the same. Keep that in mind and you should be able to determine how to ply the rules correctly.

Using stuff as this thing, like a Two Handed weapon as One Handed, never actually make that thing something else, like a Two Handed weapon into a One Handed weapon.

There is also a FAQ about size changes that clarifies that it can never stack with itself, much in the same way same type bonuses do not stack. There is an exception with Dodge bonuses, and Lead Blades upsizes when using Enlarge Person, but for the most part, your only getting one size up for weapon damage.

One can't double wield Two Handed weapons either. there is simply no rules for one to do so.


Thx for the tip.

And yes you can't wield double 2-h weapons, unless you wield (not treat) them 1-h.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Well, one only has one main hand, so to get the extra attack from Two Weapon Fighting, you need an actual one handed or light weapon in the off hand.

But being able to double wield two weapons the same size at the character does look pretty boss, even doing normal str damage instead of 1.5 and limited to just your normal attacks.

As a fighter, you want to up the normal static damage as much as you can, and Two Handed weapons stack better with two handed use than they would otherwise.

Your GM, if he allows Two Handed weapons be used in the off hand while TWF, likely would impose a further -2 penalty with the attacks, much in the same way Light weapons reduce the penalty by 2. This would be the normal progression with how the size designation of weapons work with TWF.

Of course, this is getting away from the question in the thread. One of the questions I have is if the character wielding the huge weapon is large sized and how the character can use a Gargantuan weapon.

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