Damon,
Yes Hulk is the strongest, but not the most powerful force.
I know, it just seemed like what the Hulk would say if he overheard this discussion.
Over in DC, the Speed Force is a place as well as an energy form; it appears on the multiversal map. If the Strong Force dimension also borders the Marvel Universes, perhaps Hulk has been tapping into that all along without realizing it.
Yeah, okay, be still wouldn't be the Strong Force.
The Hulk can say what he wants. But in terms of most powerful comic book force, the Speed Force would have to be right in the top 5.
Also I don't think humans are unsalvageable. At least not all of them. Admittedly I'm kind of biased towards my own family and friends, but they prove to me there's still enough of a chance that saving humanity from itself (even at the cost of stuff) is worth it.
Just not sure the Infinity Gauntlet is the right thing to use off the bat.
I bolded the part that's completely untrue....(I mean, I'm pretty sure Shin actually would not, and it would be - relatively speaking - "fine" if he ever actually got a gauntlet, not that anyone ever really could. But, fundamentally, this post or sentiments like it are horrendous.)You cant use the Gauntlet to "FIX" humanity's problems. In any way that would actually matter would be either removing free will or creating a path to an even greater conflict down the line.
Create more resources so that everyone won't go without basic necessities? Some greedy, amoral group of jerks is going to decide that not everyone DESERVES to have those basic necessities and try to TAKE THEM.
Making everyone forcibly "good", removes agency and free will.
Removing firearms? People will simply find more efficient ways to kill each other with improvised melee weapons just like they did before the advent of firearms.
Humans CHOOSE to be the way that they are. They make a conscious decision. It's one thing to decide that you're going to help yourself prosper. It's something else to decide that someone or some group doesn't deserve to prosper or even exist because of a darker skin hue, gender, sexuality or religion. There's no FIXING that part of it.
Even forced empathy, like making people feel the pain of others is just a band-aid. You shouldn't have to be forced to live in someone else's shoes in order to empathize. You're human. They are human. Anything that you don't want to be done to you? ASSUME that the other human doesn't want to be done to them EITHER. Human beings are unnecessarily cruel and callous because they CHOOSE TO BE.
Humans can't even do something as easy and simple as BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER
And that is why I'd DEFINITELY *SNAP*.
Call it evil, call it crazy.
But having the means to eradicate a greater evil and pussyfooting around doing so or doing nothing is both cowardly and being complicit in said evil.
Yeah, what I said has nothing to do with friends I may or may not have. You focus on your immediate surroundings and not the whole picture. I say the human race is horrible you think that I must be surrounded by THE WORST.
I was pretty clear that I was talking about humans in general and have already said that the there are good people but they are WAY outnumbered by selfish and evil ones. I'm not trying to win a semantic argument with you. I have the entire history of humanity to back up my argument.
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Asmodeus, you clearly had a difficult time, in perhaps an unusual situation, but certainly your experiences are valid and it is not my intention to be dismissive. I have my reasons for feeling the way I do, coming from very different and often extraordinarily negative experiences, but I will also fully note I was sweeping with a broad brush--and moreover, the context of my comment was that I was talking about pretending to have a comic book MacGuffin of Ultimate Cosmic power and being intentionally a bit overreaching and fantastical in my response. So, I think perhaps this is not the time or place for me, at least, to delve any deeper into the issue.
I am sorry that what I said made you feel threatened; that was not my intention.
As it is, please trust that I do NOT have the Infinity Gauntlet, and have no ability to affect the existence of the Internet whatsoever.
As for meeting cool people (Freehold) and eating Cap'n Crunch French Toast, I think there are other ways that can happen--after all fan clubs and geek conventions existed before the Internet did. :) But certainly I am glad for the opportunities to meet cool people in any way possible, including online.
I think what was intended to be a fun question has been twisted into getting folks into a pretty dark place, and I have enough darkness in my life right now as it is, so I'm outta here. Y'all take care of yourselves.
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I am sorry that what I said made you feel threatened; that was not my intention.
Ah man, I’m sorry I made you feel like you made me feel threatened. :(
A limitation of the format, I’ll readily admit, that we can’t see each other’s faces. I’m really quite alright; I’m a fairly mellow stoic - I tend not to waste my time feeling bad about things outside my sphere of influence. I really only meant to provide a counterpoint, not to drag any sort of personal baggage into the thread, or chase you out of it.
Asmodeus, you clearly had a difficult time, in perhaps an unusual situation, but certainly your experiences are valid and it is not my intention to be dismissive.
Bad form of me, making things personal. You can be dismissive if you want, the plural of anecdote isn’t data, and I’m well aware. Myself, I don’t think my time was particularly difficult or unusual. ‘A difficult time’ is being sent to labor camp in The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, or being born blind and deaf, or being isolated and starved by the Church of Scientology. I got free cookies.
It’s hard to feel sorry for oneself when there’re people who actually have it hard, everywhere you look! I’m really quite alright, unpleasant childhood behind me. (And besides, for most it I was too young to know that it was unpleasant, comparatively speaking.)
I have enough darkness in my life right now as it is, so I'm outta here. Y'all take care of yourselves.
I’m sorry. :(
If you read this, is there something I can do to help?
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I would use the gauntlet to undo the last page of this thread (Your welcome.)
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Vid,
Aw. But then no one would get my witty postings...
But maybe it's for the best...
Also point of order, Shin, the entirety of human history hasn't been written yet. It's just the first 2,000 years or so. On a galactic scale, that's barely a blip.
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Man, I'd fix the daggum game-breaking bugs on this dang Lego Batman 2 on my Wii. Bothersome nonsense... oh, and also fix my and my kids' health.
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"IF you had the Infininity[sic] Gauntlet, what would you do?"
Probably something completely terrible with the best of intentions.
Best I can come up with?
Will the damn thing out of existence. The universe doesn't need me running it.
"IF you had the Infininity[sic] Gauntlet, what would you do?"
Probably something completely terrible with the best of intentions.
Best I can come up with?
Will the damn thing out of existence. The universe doesn't need me running it.
Ahem, ahe-heh-hem.
XD
(This may, of course, inspire you to ignore other people's opinions. Which, you know, you're running the universe, so... fair.)
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I would use the gauntlet to wake up from the Matrix...
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Mage,
But what if the Soul Stone IS the Matrix??? ;)
Also I'd use the Mind stone to figure out why it is my dogs can't stay inside for longer than 2 hours some times and yet are fine for me gone for an hour and a half....
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What if my face is the Matrix?!
... sorry, if so. It's gotta be rather unpleasant in there. Especially if any of you ended up my sinuses - sorry, guys. Sorry.
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Tact,
Your face isn't the Matrix and I think you need to get some cold meds.
Just saying.
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Make a plan to drop everything in the universes birthrate down to sustainable levels, instead of producing so many offspring that "planned obsolescence" is bult into the system
Create heaven. Everyone goes there. tell no one.
Take a look into the future, make sure this isn't going to make things worse.
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What if my face is the Matrix?!
... sorry, if so. It's gotta be rather unpleasant in there. Especially if any of you ended up my sinuses - sorry, guys. Sorry.
Tact,
Your face isn't the Matrix and I think you need to get some cold meds.
Just saying.
Oooohhhhh! That’s in my face~!
(But seriously, my worst thi is allergies right now. It’s literally everyone else in the house that needs medicine. :/ And I’m adding this sentence because I can’t end this parenthetical without making the “:/“ face look like a smiley and, though I like smileys, that’s not the emotion I want to convey when describing how everyone in our house is sick.)
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Y'know, you're absolutely right. It'd be fine. I'd just snap my fingers and make the challengers my allies. Give them all lesser gauntlets and become the Infinity Force. Protect the multiverse. Stuff like that.
Ooh, split the six stones up among six people, and spend the rest of eternity fighting amongst each other over minor disagreements we could have talked out! (Like the far-flung future of the Bill Willingham's Elementals, but with people with mastery of time, mind, power, reality, etc. instead of air, earth, fire and water.)
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I know this is kind of an old thread but just a thought I had: a lot of people objected to forcibly making evil people good, the assumption being it would basically replace them with a new person. However, what if say, instead of completely rewriting their personality it leaves the nonmoral aspects (such as what their favorite color is or stuff like that) alone it just fixes what ever is making them evil in the first place. Like for example, if they are full of malice and cruelty replace it with love and compassion or if they are a sociopath, make them suddenly grow a conscience.
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IF you had the Infininity Gauntlet, what would you do?Die, probably. Either from not being able to handle the power or getting murdered by someone who wants it.
Unless the would be robber's name is Living Tribunal they would be pretty stupid to try to steal it from you...
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I want to get rid of the Internet because people need to learn how to form relationships with each other face to face, even those like myself wired with much difficulty and anxiety in doing so. And it's a bad thing more and more people are relying on a faceless medium for psychosocial support, IMO, because it makes people MUCH more prone to being radicalized and indoctrinated.I dunno, DeathQuaker . . . if anything, the internet unradicalized me. I grew up in, well, I don’t want to call it a cult, because it pales in comparison to, say, the cult of Scientology, but I grew up in a cult. The kind of cult where you’re expected to marry inside the religion, where you’re discouraged from associating with people from outside the religion, and where you’re told that leaving the cult means eternal damnation. If it weren’t for the internet, if it weren’t for all the sane people I met there, if it weren’t for my friends, I’d probably belong to that cult today.
The internet’s a place where people can share ideas, where people can shop around instead of sticking with the beliefs of their locality, for lack of better options. And that’s a really very incredibly precious thing.
Seconded.
I know this is kind of an old thread but just a thought I had: a lot of people objected to forcibly making evil people good, the assumption being it would basically replace them with a new person. However, what if say, instead of completely rewriting their personality it leaves the nonmoral aspects (such as what their favorite color is or stuff like that) alone it just fixes what ever is making them evil in the first place. Like for example, if they are full of malice and cruelty replace it with love and compassion or if they are a sociopath, make them suddenly grow a conscience.
This is always the basic idea, however, the problems for such becomes:
-1) the concept of *anyone* (or anything) defining “morality”
-2) the violation of “free will” as a concept
-3) the deeply rooted sub-facets of our personality that intersect with “morality” in weird ways (including forcibly altering tastes in music, as we no longer appreciate X as it reminds us of that one thing we felt self-righteous about but now regret with new morality, for example)
... among a host of other things. I don’t necessarioy find that evil, mind, but it’s an argument to be made.
(And probably more that I didn’t think of.)
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I think I might create an effect that would look to all the universe identical to what Thanos did.
However, the more advanced species would soon be able to figure out that I in fact had duplicated every inhabited planet on the opposite side of its sun and moved half of its population to the corresponding new planet.
I prefer being annoying and challenging to being hated for mass murder.
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Would universal contraception and sex ed fall within the purview of the gauntlet?
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...I bolded the(I mean, I'm pretty sure Shin actually would not, and it would be - relatively speaking - "fine" if he ever actually got a gauntlet, not that anyone ever really could. But, fundamentally, this post or sentiments like it are horrendous.)You cant use the Gauntlet to "FIX" humanity's problems. In any way that would actually matter would be either removing free will or creating a path to an even greater conflict down the line.
Create more resources so that everyone won't go without basic necessities? Some greedy, amoral group of jerks is going to decide that not everyone DESERVES to have those basic necessities and try to TAKE THEM.
Making everyone forcibly "good", removes agency and free will.
Removing firearms? People will simply find more efficient ways to kill each other with improvised melee weapons just like they did before the advent of firearms.
Humans CHOOSE to be the way that they are. They make a conscious decision. It's one thing to decide that you're going to help yourself prosper. It's something else to decide that someone or some group doesn't deserve to prosper or even exist because of a darker skin hue, gender, sexuality or religion. There's no FIXING that part of it.
Even forced empathy, like making people feel the pain of others is just a band-aid. You shouldn't have to be forced to live in someone else's shoes in order to empathize. You're human. They are human. Anything that you don't want to be done to you? ASSUME that the other human doesn't want to be done to them EITHER. Human beings are unnecessarily cruel and callous because they CHOOSE TO BE.
Humans can't even do something as easy and simple as BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER
And that is why I'd DEFINITELY *SNAP*.
Call it evil, call it crazy.
But having the means to eradicate a greater evil and pussyfooting around doing so or doing nothing is both cowardly and being complicit in said evil.
And you do realize that this will be no less true for any other sapient species of relatively equal or greater intellectual capability and civilizational development that may exist throughout the entirety of the universe, in both time and space?
Or are you foolish enough to think your complaints are ones faced by and caused by humans alone and that every other developed species that could ever exist will never encounter them?
Or are you going to set yourself up as a universal arbitrator and eradicate each and every species when they inevitably cross your threshold of terribleness, or heft your supernatural powers as a threat against them to dissuade such? And if yes to either, what makes you different from any other Old Testament style deity, all fire and brimstone for the disobedient?
Humanity has its sour points in its history, yes, and many still remain that we struggle with in the modern day. But we are also so, so, so much better along than we were even as short a time as 50 years ago, much less the entirety of human history.
We are the most peaceful, most safe, most integrated, most loving, and most equal that we have ever been as a species and as most of our disparate cultures.
We still have a long way to go, but your solution is basically to shoot the runner in the head for stumbling through most of the race, even though they're on the home stretch. Plus the whole "punishing the present for the sins if the past and the many innocent for the crimes of the few guilty".
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So, anyway, since this is disturbing, I'm just going to go through it one step at a time.
I avoided it before, but, in retrospect, that's probably the wrong thing to do.
So!
Yeah, what I said has nothing to do with friends I may or may not have.
Alright. Cool.
You focus on your immediate surroundings and not the whole picture.
Wait, if your argument is that he can't judge you, then you choose to judge him right back? Nah, my dude. If that's not what you meant to do, then see above, and no problems.
I say the human race is horrible you think that I must be surrounded by THE WORST.
Usually how it works. Most people get more cynical or awful when they hang out with more cynical or awful people, and vice versa. It's not universal, of course, but it's uuuuuuuuuusually a pretty straightforward guess to make.
I was pretty clear that I was talking about humans in general and have already said that the there are good people but they are WAY outnumbered by selfish and evil ones.
That you still would kill the good ones is evidence that you're choosing the worst path.
I'm not trying to win a semantic argument with you.
Cool. Then never-mind the thing about semantics above. :)
I have the entire history of humanity to back up my argument.
Nah, my dude. You really don't.
I mean, I get that you think you do (or at least pretend to for the purpose of posting in this thread, or at least have - however dissonant it may be - convinced yourself on some level it may be true), but if you actually for really reals feel this way, I strongly recommend you seek out counseling.
I don't think you really do. But if you do: you're just wrong, my man.
Everyone in the world has done something "evil," yeah. At least at some point in their life. This does not invalidate their worth.
I was going to suggest an alternate "best" thing based on the opinion espoused - an alternate most moral thing - but it's bad enough that I feel dirty just suggesting it, so I shan't. Instead, I'll suggest that if you really feel that way, get off your high horse and use the gauntlet to fix humanity. You think we're irredeemable? Screw free will. Fix the broken ones in-mass, and let the rest live because, in that instance, under your personally suggested "truth" (which, at best, is a convenient and selfish lie) those who do not deserve death will not be killed by a jerk who can't see the goodness in his own species as worth preserving.
And also in that scenario you wouldn't be one of the worst possible people.
But, really, my dude, you know your suggestion is reprehensibly and monstrously evil (look at the measuring stick you hold against humanity), and I'm absolutely positive you aren't. And I do hope you find a way to find the hope that you need. If you do need to talk, you've got my PM. I'm not the best on advice, but I can read it and PM you back small empathetic (or at least sympathetic) onomatopoeias or something to show that I've read it and wish I could help (and I could try to help if you actually ask or want me to, though I can't guarantee anything - - I'm just a dude on the internet).
EDIT: just for some clarifying statements, and hopefully some sort of a better tone.
Infinite Universe, infinite resources. There, problem solved.
Well, that and a heat-sink. 'Cause dang tha's a lotta energy... :D
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If I had to guess, I'd say that Thanatos probably thought of most of the things most people did, figured he didn't have the mental capacity to fix things the way he'd want to without causing more issues, and also came down on the "moral self-righteous judgement" side of things, and thus took the self-righteous patronizing path of, "No, you'll do things the way I say; so let's start over."
What really happened is that he used his self-perceived morality to impose his own value-judgments rather than shop around for workable solutions to perceived problems. Heck, he might have even figured with his monstrous act he would give the whole omniverse or whatever an "other" that they could rally around, thus unifying them against him while teaching them a lesson at the same time, or something.
He certainly thought himself moral, even though we can all agree his actions were clearly monstrous, regardless of how humans in specific fared.
*cough*
But anyway, now we're just talking about the film. Or at least I am.
So back to me and my silly answers with narcissistic nonsense: I'd super-definitely read and favorite (most) things across the forum and its history. That would make me happy, I think. Also, I might get into YouTube or something. Or just become the villain the Forgotten Whisperer (though I wouldn't have to do villainous things, 'cause I'd have the gauntlet to take care of any financial needs instead).
But diseases would be a thing of the past - or at least I'd help us learn how to stop them.
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All right. Secret Santa gave me the gauntlet with all the stones. What to do, what to do?
First order of business, learn about it. Hide myself away and delve into its secrets until I feel I can use it safely. If I need to change to be able to do it, fine.
Second, I need a place to work from. An asteroid fortress should be fine with a black shield around, with solar energy to provide power, and to hold in the air, and project a sky on. Cue ridiculous palace there. Water. Stuff.
Third, make sure I am fortified to prevent harm to come to me, and learning to use images to talk to people while I hang out in my palace.
If all this seems to work, get my close ones to the palace as well.
Think it all through. There are many factors here. First, it may be that I get trouble I knew nothing about. It is a cliche. Assuming no, or I can solve it, I need to decide.
What I do is use my infinite lifespan to travel the history of humanity and learn the truth of a variety of things. I am there to observe only. Then, I start drawing up experimental Earths by copying the Earth at various points in time and set up different ideologies on them. There would be a planet with a dominant ideology for each one I could think of. I need to know where they lead, how they evolve, and so on. Hopefully I learn a thing or two.
More later.
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You know your first 3 moves aren't that different from thanoses in the comic.
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They're pretty reasonable.
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Furthermore, Thanos said that the Universe is finite. How would he know? The observable universe is only approximately 14 Billion Light Years in radius. Do we know that the Universe didn't keep expanding past that horizon? I think that not only did it continue to expand, but that it's still expanding.
This is almost certainly true. The major issue (from what I can tell) is that the universe has a kind of "point of no return" in both time and space, beyond which the eventual expansion will make it so that the "observable universe" actually shrinks as time goes on as the more far-flung bits get ever-more-far-flung. That said, the parts that are close enough to be bound together by gravity beyond the most basic will eventually head towards each other to collect in a really, really big galaxy-like thing (totally the scientific term, I swear)... point being that eventually, you're going to run out of all that extra space.
So... making portals, I guess, to reach the further-out stuff is another thing that needs doing. Sheesh, the universe, I feel like the maid - I just cleaned up in here, can you stop having eventual breakdowns? No? Sigh.
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Furthermore, Thanos said that the Universe is finite. How would he know? The observable universe is only approximately 14 Billion Light Years in radius. Do we know that the Universe didn't keep expanding past that horizon? I think that not only did it continue to expand, but that it's still expanding.This is almost certainly true. The major issue (from what I can tell) is that the universe has a kind of "point of no return" in both time and space, beyond which the eventual expansion will make it so that the "observable universe" actually shrinks as time goes on as the more far-flung bits get ever-more-far-flung. That said, the parts that are close enough to be bound together by gravity beyond the most basic will eventually head towards each other to collect in a really, really big galaxy-like thing (totally the scientific term, I swear)... point being that eventually, you're going to run out of all that extra space.
So... making portals, I guess, to reach the further-out stuff is another thing that needs doing. Sheesh, the universe, I feel like the maid - I just cleaned up in here, can you stop having eventual breakdowns? No? Sigh.
Hoooneeey, where's my super suit?
Oh! That reminds me! I'd totally make time for family dinner!
(I mean, she's been planning it for how long, again?)
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The fact that the universe is finite alone did not leave eliminating half the population of the universe as the only option for what Thanos was trying to do, especially if he did not intend to repeat the alternative in question. The universe is mostly empty space, and the mass for creating a new planet could be taken from the star it would orbit with no significant consequences.
The only advantage of Thanos's plan over mine is that he can repeat it as necessary. But once every inhabited planet in the universe has a duplicate on the other side of its sun, I would only be able to follow that up by filling in the Lagrange points until I have no other places to put equivalent planets.
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Yeah, it’s kind of lame. He is called the mad titan, but I figured he just kind of eventually gave up on finding a better idea.
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Admittedly, that kinda is the quandary you end up with when trying to adapt a decades-old comic book plot to a modern-day theatre audience as well as fit it in with the ongoing narrative of your cinematic universe.
I personally think sticking to his original purpose - wanting to impress the hell out of Death - would have probably made more sense, but there's no real controversy about that that would give them reason to make Thanos somewhat empathetic or have reason for the heroes to question if he might have a point.
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the universe has a kind of "point of no return"
Man, now I want to see a Phantom of the Opera parody about the universe and its expansion...
Admittedly, that kinda is the quandary you end up with when trying to adapt a decades-old comic book plot to a modern-day theatre audience as well as fit it in with the ongoing narrative of your cinematic universe.
I personally think sticking to his original purpose - wanting to impress the hell out of Death - would have probably made more sense, but there's no real controversy about that that would give them reason to make Thanos somewhat empathetic or have reason for the heroes to question if he might have a point.
I simply don't consider them the same character - kind of like any adaptation.
The comics one is pretty rockin', and I felt a little weird about this one being so different (especially after the Teaser reveal at the end of A1), but I really wasn't too worried about it.
And, ultimately, he has "enough of a point" that it really doesn't matter that he's kind of just a big, dumb jerk who's self-righteous attitude and unwillingness to look for alternate solutions made him a villain: he had the seed of a reasonable idea, and it's the rest of it that made him "mad" - his own laziness.
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I would rather imagine our finite perspective as non-gauntlet-wielders clouds our potential perspectives as gaunlet wielders.
I mean, what I do really depends on the answer to life's great mysteries that would be answered by granting oneself omniscience...or gradually growing closer so as not to snap your mind like a twig from suddenly flooding it with too much.
Is there a loving creator? What is death? What is our purpose? Are we more than flesh bags with complex biocomputers in a skull? So much that would affect your potential actions needs to be known before recklessly taking action.
The odds are I'd either be stuck in paused time running multiple ideas through potential simulations using my near omniscience, or keep hopping back in time to start over. I can't see myself not regretting the effects of any major changes in some way.
Except selfish stuff, like getting to 4% body fat, perfect physical health, and the like. But even then...do I choose immortality? Depends on what the afterlife is like. Big questions need answers again...
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Admittedly, that kinda is the quandary you end up with when trying to adapt a decades-old comic book plot to a modern-day theatre audience as well as fit it in with the ongoing narrative of your cinematic universe.
I personally think sticking to his original purpose - wanting to impress the hell out of Death - would have probably made more sense, but there's no real controversy about that that would give them reason to make Thanos somewhat empathetic or have reason for the heroes to question if he might have a point.
Especially when you could've used Hel as their version of Death. She was the goddess of death in the MCU (as well as the Asgardian pantheon, no?) and they introduced her - what, two movies earlier? Just throw in a backstory where they had some sort of trist, blah blah blah...
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No, a romantic connection would have been bad. In a massively ensemble cast movie like this, there just isn't time to do that. To make it good/interesting you have to develop both characters AND their relationship together. That's three plot threads that have to be woven together.
Thanos being needless, arbitrarily cruel works, because it's just one plot thread. It lets you give it enough screen time, while also spending time with the heroes.
Purely from the standpoint of time constraints and how the movie had to be constructed, even if his relationship was with a villain from a previous movie, there just wouldn't have been time to make it any good at all.
Gamora worked as a foil because she'd been established in two movies as a main character. The audience knew and could sympathize with her prior to the start of the movie, so the Gamora/Thanos scenes required very little set-up. If the movie had needed to establish who she was and why she was important, that would have needed another 30 minutes of screen time to a movie that is already nearly 3 hours long.
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Thread title answer addendum to what I would do.
ONLY and ALWAYS Be tired when I want to sleep.
Do not be tired when I do not want to sleep.
Fall asleep when I want.
It seems based upon my experience with these concepts that it takes a god level of power to accomplish.
I'm so tired now but if I take a nap I'll be up all damn night. F*#+ you circadian "rhythm" you misnomer son of a whore.
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Re movie time...
They could have just made a solo movie about it. Even f*%$ing Ant Man got two.
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Re movie time...
They could have just made a solo movie about it. Even f**~ing Ant Man got two.
hey ant-man f$%+ing RULES!
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hey ant-man f~#%ing RULES!Re movie time...
They could have just made a solo movie about it. Even f**~ing Ant Man got two.
Paul Rudd rules. Ant Man is meh. Paul Rudd could've made any hero entertaining.
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SHUN THE NONBELIEVER! SHUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!