Spell roll, touch attack rolls on spells.

[oholoko]

I am not sure about this but when in a spell says a ranged/melee touch attack, or a ranged/melee attack during the duration of the spell. Like "polar ray", does that attack use the spell roll? Or it uses the melee unnarmed bonus(Str or dex)/ranged bonus(Dex) + spell proef?
I only found this and i am a bit confused... Because it seems to use the spellcasting bonus+proef in spellcasting but several other people are telling me otherwise...

"SPELL ATTACKS
Some spells require you to succeed at an attack roll to
affect the target. This is usually because they require you
to touch your target, precisely aim a ray, or otherwise
make an accurate attack. Any attack you make is part of
the spell’s Somatic Casting action.
Usually, such spells require a melee touch attack or
a ranged touch attack. In both cases, make an attack
roll and compare the result to the target’s TAC. Your
proficiency modifier for a spell’s attack roll is the same
as your proficiency modifier with spell rolls. Spell attacks
are unarmed, but they don’t apply any special benefits
from your weapons or unarmed attacks, nor do they deal
any damage outside of what’s listed in the spell. Melee
touch attacks have the finesse trait (see page 182). On a
successful attack, your spell affects the target, and on a
failure the spell is lost unless otherwise noted. Spells with
a range of “touch” always require a melee touch attack
when used against an unwilling target, but not when used
on a willing or unconscious target.
Some spells require a normal melee attack or ranged
attack instead of a touch attack. These work as described
above, but they target AC instead of TAC."

[DaliDaVinci]

Also interested

[oholoko]

Klavklav wrote:

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It would change a lot of the dynamic of the caster not having to care about dex or str and instead having only one stat as a key.

[Culach]

All of the caster classes have similar wording in their descriptions regarding spellcasting.

This actually makes hitting with a spell that requires an attack roll EASIER than ever.

[ebfi3e]

oholoko wrote:

Your proficiency modifier for a spell’s attack roll is the same as your proficiency modifier with spell rolls. Spell attacks are unarmed, but they don’t apply any special benefits from your weapons or unarmed attacks, nor do they deal any damage outside of what’s listed in the spell. Melee touch attacks have the finesse trait (see page 182).

You use dex or str for melee and you use dex for ranged. The proficiency bonus you add is the one you have for spell rolls.

[Rhyst]

The way I read that is that you just swap your Spell Proficiency in instead of your Weapon/Attack Proficiency as well as Melee gains the Finesse trait.

So a melee roll would use your (STR or DEX) + Spell Prof
And a ranged roll would use your Dex + Spell Prof

[Xenocrat]

And don’t forget Spell Duelist Gloves/Wands for item bonuses to hit.

[oholoko]

That's a bit sad, mages already got nerfed enough xD

[oholoko]

Just to say errata confirmed Rhyst idea, thanks for the help everyone.