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I was really excited to see that a small bird companion can grow medium-sized at level 4, and then at level 8 could become large-sized as a savage companion. Druids on rocs is such a cool idea, right? Unfortunately, without the mount special ability (hint: only horses apply), riding an animal companion forces it to use its land speed only.
I know there is the odd horror story of the player that brought a giant flying mount to a low level adventure and completely trivialized it, but I'm noticing that even at higher levels, there is no way for a druid to ride a giant flying mount. Could we at least have the Mount ability available as a specialization option (level 14)? As it stands right now, a druid can cast fly on a horse and ride it, but can't cast fly on a bird and then ride it.
Pretty please with sugar and roses and candies on it? Please?
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I didn't like that only Small Hunters and Druids could have flying mounts at 1st level. But I've never had mounts (flying or otherwise) cause problems at any level.
Sable Company Marine (Archetype) will likely grant access to a Medium/Large Flying Mount... at 7th-8th level.
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a mount specialization might be the way to go. it would still take some investment on the players part, but it would still be an option. heck, maybe a specialization is too costly. A general feat that lets you add the mount ability to creatures of proper size/intellect/demeanor.
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Honestly the lack of anything other than a Horse with the Mount ability is a real bummer. I love mounted combat, I was hoping for bear cavalry and dino riders and Paladins on possessed horses. What I get is that I need to ride a horse to lose a lot of actions and take penalties, but horses don't look like great attackers so it's really meh.
at least mounted combat is less confusing, too bad it's so much worse.
I want a direwolf mount for my half-orc(hillbilly human atm) druid(shaman).
But the Goblin's rough rider ancestry feat allows for a bird mount then right?
Rough Rider doesn't change the fact that there aren't any published Flying companions with the Mount ability.
You or an ally can ride your animal companion as long as it is at least one size larger than the rider. If you do, it can use only its land Speed unless it has the mount special ability. In addition, if someone is riding your animal companion and it doesn’t have the mount special ability, it can’t use the Work Together action.
Rough Rider doesn't change the fact that there aren't any published Flying companions with the Mount ability.
You or an ally can ride your animal companion as long as it is at least one size larger than the rider. If you do, it can use only its land Speed unless it has the mount special ability. In addition, if someone is riding your animal companion and it doesn’t have the mount special ability, it can’t use the Work Together action.
The Rough Rider feat makes no mention of an animal companion. There is no reason to insist that your mount is an animal companion. Surely anyone even without the Ride feat can puchase a horse and try to ride it.
The Rough Rider feat also means that the animal does not have to have the mount trait. Your GM can insist on it but he is making a house rule.
There are plenty of animals that fly. Check the bestiary.
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Any creature that will bear your weight can become your loyal steed, and you know how to coax even the strangest beasts into service. You gain the Ride feat, even if you don’t meet the prerequisites. You gain a +1 circumstance bonus to Nature checks to Handle a goblin dog or wolf mount. For more about the Nature skill, see page 152
As far as I can tell, Rough Rider only says "You gain the Ride feat" and "You get +1 to handle dogs and wolves".
Rough Rider doesn't change the fact that there aren't any published Flying companions with the Mount ability.
You or an ally can ride your animal companion as long as it is at least one size larger than the rider. If you do, it can use only its land Speed unless it has the mount special ability. In addition, if someone is riding your animal companion and it doesn’t have the mount special ability, it can’t use the Work Together action.The Rough Rider feat makes no mention of an animal companion. There is no reason to insist that your mount is an animal companion. Surely anyone even without the Ride feat can puchase a horse and try to ride it.
The Rough Rider feat also means that the animal does not have to have the mount trait. Your GM can insist on it but he is making a house rule.
There are plenty of animals that fly. Check the bestiary.
True, Rough Rider doesn't say anything about Animal Companion. True it doesn't say anything about whatever you're riding having to have the Mount Trait. You know what it does say? That it gives you the Ride feat for free (ignoring prereqs) and gain a +1 to handle Goblin Dog and Wolf mounts. And you know what the Ride feat says? "You can use the Command an Animal action to control a mount without having to first use Handle an Animal." To have it do anything more than that is a house rule, which you should not be using for the playtest.
Besides that, there is the rule (literally quoted in the post you were responding to) that says that a mounted creature without the Mount trait can only use its land speed. Yes that is in the Animal Companion section, but there is literally nothing in the (very short) Mounted Combat section that remotely contradicts it, so unless a dev says otherwise... well, table variation can be a thing but I'm pretty sure that makes it a general rule.
Besides that, there is the rule (literally quoted in the post you were responding to) that says that a mounted creature without the Mount trait can only use its land speed.
No, it says a mounted Companion without the Mount trait can only use its land speed (presumably for reasons of class balance, since permanent flight is really strong). RAW, there's no such rule for other creatures.
Non-Companion Flying Mounts can indeed be ridden while they fly if your GM allows you to acquire one... but non-companion mounts generally aren't viable because you'd need to replace them constantly due to their low HP and lack of advancement.
So it doesn't matter that there are tons of large flying animals, because all that matters is whether or not you can select a large flying companion that possesses the Mount special ability. Which currently you cannot.
Regardless the topic of discussion was riding flying companions, not riding flying NPCs. My quoted comment above was in reply to Terrordactyl's question. To which the short answer is "No", and the long answer is "That feat isn't relevent to the topic of discussion in any way; because it only applies to NPC Mounts. Companion mounts are minions, and don't need to be Handled to begin with.".