CrystalSeas |
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soon we cannot tell the spammers from the posters.
Even worse: posters are making the spam headlines permanent by replying to them with snarky jokes.
When there is a reply to the spam thread, the headline becomes permanent in the forums, so that even if staff 'delete' the thread, the reply becomes the OP and the subject lines stay visible.
If there is no reply, both the OP and the headline are removed
Here4daFreeSwag |
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Richter Harding wrote:soon we cannot tell the spammers from the posters.Even worse: posters are making the spam headlines permanent by replying to them with snarky jokes.
When there is a reply to the spam thread, the headline becomes permanent in the forums, so that even if staff 'delete' the thread, the reply becomes the OP and the subject lines stay visible.
If there is no reply, both the OP and the headline are removed
Yep, if you just flag the offending spam post, eventually your flag of spam becomes marked as flagged- so you can tells that you already got to it, in case you forgots that you gots it. ;)
PS. Whenever them spammers show, I invoke my internal mental autoplay of Donny Osmond's version of Disney's Mulan's, I'll Make a Man out of You I'll Flag that Spam outta here. ;)
Redelia |
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God, how I hate hackers.
Please don't misuse the word hackers in this way. The term 'hackers' refers simply to people who enjoy messing around with the internals on their own computers. It's like the way we use the term 'gamers' to refer to our own hobby. Hackers are not 'crackers' (those who break into others' computers for fun or profit) or spammers.
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John Napier 698 wrote:God, how I hate hackers.Please don't misuse the word hackers in this way. The term 'hackers' refers simply to people who enjoy messing around with the internals on their own computers. It's like the way we use the term 'gamers' to refer to our own hobby. Hackers are not 'crackers' (those who break into others' computers for fun or profit) or spammers.
A noble attempt, but in vain.
Language shifts and this fight has been lost. The meaning of hacker has changed.
Redelia |
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Redelia wrote:John Napier 698 wrote:God, how I hate hackers.Please don't misuse the word hackers in this way. The term 'hackers' refers simply to people who enjoy messing around with the internals on their own computers. It's like the way we use the term 'gamers' to refer to our own hobby. Hackers are not 'crackers' (those who break into others' computers for fun or profit) or spammers.A noble attempt, but in vain.
Language shifts and this fight has been lost. The meaning of hacker has changed.
No, it does not work that way. The media does not get to take one group's term of self-identification and apply it to someone else's bad behavior, and the rest of us just have to smile and accept it.
John Napier 698 |
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John Napier 698 wrote:God, how I hate hackers.Please don't misuse the word hackers in this way. The term 'hackers' refers simply to people who enjoy messing around with the internals on their own computers. It's like the way we use the term 'gamers' to refer to our own hobby. Hackers are not 'crackers' (those who break into others' computers for fun or profit) or spammers.
Redelia, I am a programmer. I know full well the origin of classical hacking, starting with that noble-minded bunch at MIT working with the TX-0 and the DEC PDP-1. I know how the word was hijacked by criminals. I know the difference between the two. Please don't lecture me. Please.
DeathQuaker RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8 |
Trinam |
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Bear in mind that on some level all forms of communication are just random grunts and noises that people just sort of agree on what means.
Hacker means what the person hearing the word hacker believes hacker to mean, and to claim anything else is to forget that one's cognition is a more important part of reality than reality itself.
Which is basically a fancy way of saying 'lol nothing matters,' I guess, but what ya gonna do?
UnArcaneElection |
And they're back as of about 5-10 minutes ago.
I second the idea of blocking posts in certain characters (unless that would screw up using the page through translation software).
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That will just induce the spammers to use non-blocked characters. Now, if you were to moderate the 1st 5 posts of new users, or even just the 1st 1 post + any following posts made before the 1st post was moderated, that would really put a crimp in their dirty work. (of course, you would need to have a decent user interface so that the moderators could Shift-Click a whole range of spam posts to deny their posting much faster than the spammers can make them.)
Edit: And here I have had to flag 8 13 14 16 18 21 of them in General Discussion (they seem to have stopped experimenting with branching out, but they still seem to come in waves).
DeathQuaker RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8 |
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DeathQuaker wrote:That will just induce the spammers to use non-blocked characters.And they're back as of about 5-10 minutes ago.
I second the idea of blocking posts in certain characters (unless that would screw up using the page through translation software).
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They could also have been already posting in roman characters and made their posts fit in more. They're clearly a Korean group looking for Korean targets and this would put a wrench in their plans. Even if only temporary, I'd say it'd at least buy the dev team time to devise better solutions.
Now, if you were to moderate the 1st 5 posts of new users, or even just the 1st 1 post + any following posts made before the 1st post was moderated, that would really put a crimp in their dirty work.
I would support this. I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
I would also support better account screening techniques, e.g., a new user cannot post until an admin manually views and approves their account. They could use the store but not post.
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One thing that is really strange is that the only non-Korean characters in these spam posts appear to be referencing websites owned by Montenegro in Yugoslavia.
TriOmegaZero |
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None of this targets people here on the forums. All of it is targeting the aggregators that search engines use to gather information about what terms have the most hits. The more sites an online casinos name appears on, the higher it is rated by search engines and the higher up the list of results it is displayed.
Sara Marie Customer Service Manager |
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:(
Was hoping the new site might be spammer proof. At least the flagging function is working fine..
Unfortunately I'm waiting on an update that lets me see the aggregate of flags (my Flag Queue tab accidentally disappeared when we updated to the new design). In the meantime, definitely flag stuff that's a problem as the more flags it has, the more I am likely to see it from my Forum Overview.
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Steve Geddes wrote:Unfortunately I'm waiting on an update that lets me see the aggregate of flags (my Flag Queue tab accidentally disappeared when we updated to the new design). In the meantime, definitely flag stuff that's a problem as the more flags it has, the more I am likely to see it from my Forum Overview.:(
Was hoping the new site might be spammer proof. At least the flagging function is working fine..
I’d flag posts even if nobody was watching. I find it strangely therapeutic. :)
UnArcaneElection |
{. . .} I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
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That wouldn't stop the spammers, since they only seem to use each account once (originally they used each one twice, but they seem to have quit doing that a long time ago).
(Ongoing edit) Flagged 7 11 15 17 more in General Discussion, 2 in Community Use, and 1 in Ultimate Intrigue Playtest.
Suddenly, I realized that The Last Jedi missed a major opportunity when they had the expedition to the Casino planet, especially when they got the underdog code-breaker -- after this, spam should have been popping up all over the remaining Rebel Alliance ships.
DeathQuaker RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8 |
DeathQuaker wrote:That wouldn't stop the spammers, since they only seem to use each account once (originally they used each one twice, but they seem to have quit doing that a long time ago).{. . .} I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
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I still endorse that for discouraging trollspam.
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...I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
Though it would make asking multiple questions to some Ask-Me-Anything threads, as some of the thread starters want each question to be a separate post.
Redelia |
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UnArcaneElection wrote:I still endorse that for discouraging trollspam.DeathQuaker wrote:That wouldn't stop the spammers, since they only seem to use each account once (originally they used each one twice, but they seem to have quit doing that a long time ago).{. . .} I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
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This would be a major inconvenience for people involved in several PbP games. It doesn't always take 3 minutes to type up a basic attack. I at least open in a new tab each game where there have been new posts, and read them all. Then I go and type up and submit my actions in each, and these are not often 3 minutes apart.
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Good lord, it looks like there are hundreds of them!
Spam really Infuriates me - it’s a scourge and I wish there was a way to stamp it out.In Paizo’s case, it seems like disallowing posts using foreign characters might be a good first step ...
I hope never disallow posts in foreign characters: they’re a mainstay of Play-by-Post!
Hmm
Charles Scholz |
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Steve Geddes wrote:Unfortunately I'm waiting on an update that lets me see the aggregate of flags (my Flag Queue tab accidentally disappeared when we updated to the new design). In the meantime, definitely flag stuff that's a problem as the more flags it has, the more I am likely to see it from my Forum Overview.:(
Was hoping the new site might be spammer proof. At least the flagging function is working fine..
How about some way of flagging without opening the message?
Or, how about a flag icon that appears outside the message?Similar to the (1 New) it could be (1 Flag) with an actual flag instead of the word?
DeathQuaker RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8 |
DeathQuaker wrote:This would be a major inconvenience for people involved in several PbP games. It doesn't always take 3 minutes to type up a basic attack. I at least open in a new tab each game where there have been new posts, and read them all. Then I go and type up and submit my actions in each, and these are not often 3 minutes apart.UnArcaneElection wrote:I still endorse that for discouraging trollspam.DeathQuaker wrote:That wouldn't stop the spammers, since they only seem to use each account once (originally they used each one twice, but they seem to have quit doing that a long time ago).{. . .} I would also support measures that prevent posters from posting more than once every, oh, three minutes or so. This would also force trolls to maybe stop and think for a second before posting the same argument over and over again within 30 seconds of each other (they still will try, but still).
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I post to a lot of PBPs too. Personally I'd be willing to make the sacrifice to just wait, if it otherwise improves quality of life elsewhere on the boards. I recognize others may NOT be willing to make the same sacrifice, just making my preferences known. The admins may not want to make the change for any number of reasons anyway.
As regards characters, I think people could live without at least Korean characters--IF and ONLY IF it doesn't bork a genuine user's translation software. (I also don't really see the point of using other scripts for other languages in PBPs, but that is a conversation for another time and different forum.) (Edited for unnecessary commentary.)