| Letric |
Party chat
You probably asked this as a player instead of character, and that made them believe that you person are selfish, which could not be. Maybe your character is. Make them understand it was your character and not you.
Also, if the Monk ask for free long term buff, ask him nicely to pay for a Pearl of Power, saying that having 2 prepare 2 Mage Armor will diminish your capacity for combat.In all honestly this won't extremely change your like at +7 level, but it's a possible Vanish spell that last a lot that you wont have.
And if you really feel like being nasty, put the cleric on the spot and say "why isnt the cleric casting Greater Magic Weapon and Magic Vestment on the entire party? It's her job".
That will suddenly make your point.
| Dastis |
Your not being greedy. Scrolls are consumables used to cover your butt in emergencies. Their like insurance. Something you buy beforehand because its cheaper than Resurrection. I would still buy some for yourself but only use them for yourself. Still use spell slots for the party though. If you have the right spell prepared to save a party member great. If not oh well. They failed to buy insurance. Actually when you think about it you were offering them both a discount on insurance and the service of casting it for them(using your action economy and allowing them to not invest in umd). Sounds pretty nice to me. Sincerely they were being greedy with the expectation you would spend gold on them
Weirdo
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Graelsis wrote:Party chatYou probably asked this as a player instead of character, and that made them believe that you person are selfish, which could not be. Maybe your character is. Make them understand it was your character and not you.
I disagree. Unfair loot distribution can hurt a player's enjoyment of the game regardless of what the characters think, so it's appropriate to bring it up out of character. I've interrupted loot discussions to say "my PC wouldn't ask for X, but I'd really like it" or "my PC sees nothing wrong with getting a bigger share, but are you guys OK with it?" In fact, if the other players really think it's unreasonable for you to want them to chip in on scrolls, I think it's immature of them not to have a frank ooc discussion about it.
| Cavall |
I think this is more an issue of "I'm taking some gold make scrolls" than "would anyone want some scrolls made? We can use the cash from this loot to pay for what you need"
The issue really does stem from just a chunk of gold disappearing into a nebulous "I'll make something from this" then "I'll make what you want".
So Yeah, it can come off as greedy. That's not a surprise to have characters react to a tax they don't know exactly what it's paying for.
And frankly if you're evil I may imagine they are likely evil or neutral too. So maybe them wanting to keep the gold is just playing their chars too.
Like I said before try communicating it better.
| Mykull |
Okay, if you are Lawful Evil, what are the other characters'? Are they also evil? If so, you have your answer. Pay the entire costs of the scrolls you want. If another player wants a scroll, charge them three times what you paid. When they complain that standard rates are only double, just say that there's a convenience charge of not going back to town to buy it and a reading fee for the strain on your vocal cords plus the handling fee of, you know, handling the scroll.
These sorts of shenanigans is why I refuse to run evil campaigns.
To the player who said, "Then he should charge every time he swings the sword," I would respond that he doesn't consume the sword with every blow, whereas the scroll is *poof* gone.
Your DM has limited a class feature.
Has he similary limited the number of times the rogue can make a sneak attack?
Has he similary limited the number of times the fighter can attack?
No?
Well, then, he's being a d!ick.
Honestly, the more detail you provide about this game, the less pleasant it sounds.
| Bill Dunn |
While I might applaud the GM for limiting the number of scrolls you can tote around (they really can be abusive), the limit is almost laughably low. It would be better for him to base that on some encumbrance/weight value.
Looks like you need to start a prioritization list. Put your own agenda first on it and then work in the other players' requests "as best you can". If they want priority, they can pay for it. And since casting your own mage armor is probably better than using a wand for it (because of caster level-based duration), that wand the monk wants is not going to be your priority (though it might suddenly become his...).
The King In Yellow
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If not selfish, I do think you are being a little short-sighted. What are you going to spend the gold on if not scrolls? You don’t need to buy armour and weapons the way the martials do. It is in your best interest that they buy gear rather than pay for scrolls even though it’s hard to feel that way when they’re all blinged out and you have next to nothing in comparison. They are what stands between you and the things that want to hurt you after all. The better off they are, the better off you are. You want them to have all their wealth worth of big 6 AND the portion of your wealth that you’ve dedicated for consumables to help them as much as possible because helping them is helping yourself.
Not that casters don’t deserve nice things; they do but the amount you spend on consumables versus the value you will get out of them versus your overall wealth should work out just fine. You should be able to buy nice things and make consumables because you really only need 4 of the big 6. That said, I would not apply this to magic items if you start crafting those however, only consumables. They need to pay for the value of crafted, permanent items.
Wait, what?
A caster has as much if not more need for gold than martials do.
| Graelsis |
Thank you a lot guys, you all really are helping me. Far away from the main issue, i've learned a ton about what is usefull to take with a wizard or a caster.
That said, i'm afraid i cannot use any emotional/mind tactic with the other players, the game is supposed to be a fun gap in our daily routine, so i will just inscribe scrolls for me and one or two for "friend in need" situations.
It's not like i will be sad in the game if i have to make some scrolls. They dont want it? they dont get it, is just as simple as that as you all have said in this thread.
Also, i've followed your suggestions and i've talked to them about this from my perspective, asking them to stop calling me selfish between sessions just because they want something without helping me with the costs XD.
Cavall: of course i'm not doing a scroll noone needs and then asking for money. The issue came because they want some scrolls, but they dont want to pay me for them. And i'm not even gaining money! i just asked for the half of the material costs so then i can put the other half!!!
| Cavall |
Then don't do it. Beat advice I can offer.
Actually I'll go one further.
Ask the DM to look at an archtype that trades away the ability, then never think about it again.
But the way the OP sounded you were asking for gold for scrolls at the start, and they didn't ask.for scrolls at all. The story changed.
Lastly,
Wait, what?
A caster has as much if not more need for gold than martials do.
hahah no
| Bodhizen |
Graelsis,
No, you're not being selfish (though being selfish would be in keeping with your character's Lawful Evil alignment). Make it very simple; don't scribe scrolls for the party. They've already said that they don't want them, and that they're not going to pay for them. You can cast spells to buff your allies, and that's all fine and good, but when you run out of spells for the day, you're out. If they don't like that, then they can buy their own scrolls from the town wizard.
As far as consumables go... Sure, let the fighter charge you for every time he swings his sword... to protect you. If you're not the target, he might want to swing his sword a little bit (so the enemies don't kill him). Alternatively, he can stand back and let you cast burning hands or magic missile at the little devils, but then since he didn't contribute to the kill, he doesn't get his share of the loot. He can stand there with his thumb up his butt wondering why he's not getting XP or GP for standing around letting others do all the work. Or, he could just suck it up and swing his sword. If you're casting your spells per day and preparing scrolls for the party's use, you're pulling double-duty, and that should result in double pay when it comes time to divide party loot.
However, at this point, I'd be a merchant-mercenary, since it seems that your party of evil-doers doesn't seem to believe in helping one another out in the spirit of cooperation. It might only cost me 75 GP to create a scroll, but I can either sell it in town for full price, or I can sell it to you, dear party member, for full price. That'll be 150 GP, please. Oh, you don't feel you should have to pay? Sorry, but I'm selling it in town instead. Sucks to suck, doesn't it?
Best wishes!
| Chuck Mount |
Yeah, not selfish at all. You're using your own money to make something beneficial to them. If they don't see it that way, tell the cleric to make you some potions or some holy (unholy?) water, at least. Tell the fighter to craft you a fancy new sword to wear so you can look cool. Tell the rogue to craft you a couple of nifty traps. It doesn't matter of you can set them. You just want them in case you ever decide to learn to set them. Spend group funds to make something for the group. Spend your own money to make something for yourself or someone else, but share it if you want.
| ghostunderasheet |
A cleric does not need gold to power his spells. In the long run sharing the cost of scroll costs for party use is helpful and free up your spell slots. If they are personal use spells like wish or something. You probably should not use party fundings. Ask them if they rather you memorize a buff or a fireball spell. Or if the party would rather have the cleric memorize buff spell or cure based spells? Anyone can use scroll if they have the "use magic item" skill.
| Kitty Catoblepas |
Another thing you can do to judge whether you're being selfish is to see how much the other party members are spending on consumables. If you're spending more on scrolls than they are on healing, alchemical items, ammunition, and spell components, then I'd say you've got a pretty good case.
If you're Lawful Evil, then you may want to draw up an agreement/contract that specifies that every member of the group use a certain percent of their treasure take on consumables (intentionally lower than you have been spending so that they'll have to take up your slack).