My situation is as follows:
Lets say i'm playing a campaing as a player. My carácter (wich class and levels actually dont really matter) can craft scrolls. When we first put our hands in a treassure, i asked my team to take some of the gold to craft some scrolls for everyone. My intention was to inscribe the scrolls with buffs and "team spells" such like, for example, protection from evil and that kind of spell.
I found my team calling me selfish and stubborn, because it seems that my idea is quite weird. They argumented that if i'm the caster of the team, i should take all the costs of making scrolls even if the spells contained in them are for buffing the party.
I will not post the majority of the arguments, because most of them are just "reductio ab absurdum" (like, for example: "then the cleric should ask for us to give him money when he heal us with a spell"). Obviusly if our cleric need some gold to heal us i wont see so bad giving him the gold he needs...but he dont. In the other hand, i need gold to craft scrolls.
Anyway, my question here is...Bull's strengh, buffing spells and the like of level 2 or 3 costs 150 gp, 75 if i craft them or 52 if i make them "evil aligned". Am i beign stupid or selfish for asking the party to share the costs of that scrolls? I would understand that asking for money just to cast my daily spells is ridiculous, but in this case i'm quite lost because i really didnt think this was an issue and now i'm afraid of beign stubborn.
Also the monk of the party asked me to buy and pay a "mage armor" wand to cast it over me and over him...but he didnt offer to pay the half, he said since its a wizard's item i should take the costs.
Thoughts?...thank you people.
Actually class matter a bit. I'm guessing you're a Wizard because of craft scrolls.
It all depends on roles. Is your role being the party buffer or is it just extra?
Is it a buff that a party member demands or is it you being nice?
A monk asking for a daily casting of Mage Armor should provide a Pearl of power to compensate for the slot.
Also, why put buffing on scrolls? Buffs should come from your daily spells, unless it's corner cases, like Water Breathing. In that case I personally wouldn't demand money, it's just a Wizard being ready for every situation.
I also wouldn't demand money if I'm a cleric buying a scroll of Remove Blindness. It's just my responsability to be ready for those situations. I might ask money to replace such scroll or I would just say "next time someone goes blind in middle of combat, you will have to wait for me to prepare spells".
One situation is being ready for the impossible, the other is pretending I should have a scroll of resurrection just because I'm a cleric.
Now, in cases like Lesser Restoration, I demand a party buys a wand and everyone put money on it, because unless they want to rest for days to refill my spells, all should be preapared to dish out money.
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Different groups differ greatly in how they split up costs.
One way that I personally like is to have a portion of the loot go off to a "group pot" that is spent by consensus. Usually includes things like money to raise dead, material components for things like restoration, money to buy wands of cure light wounds, etc etc.
If such an arrangement was in place, then if the group decides that making a scroll of bulls strength is a good idea then it comes from the group pot.
I suspect that the problem that you're dealing with (either real or just perceived) is that YOU are deciding what to make and expecting the group to pay. If the group decides, then they'll PROBABLY be happy to pay.
Is this a campaign that you are playing with friends?
Your group seems very mercantile. Our group throws money treasure in a pile and we spend it as needed. No one abuses the process, as all money spent goes toward benefiting a player in the group, which in turn benefits the group.
When we run low on resources, we prioritize things, but really, it doesn't come up.
They are aware that this is a fake currency, dolled out by a game master who has complete control over the economy right?
But if that is the way your group runs, I would charge them money to cast a spell or use a scroll as per the cost for services in the players guide. Maybe then they will figure out the error of their ways.
Find less parsimonious friends.
we dont have that system, so i'm the only one asking for extra money from everyone to craft ítems for the group. XD, i like my Friends, even when we argue.
One situation is being ready for the impossible, the other is pretending I should have a scroll of resurrection just because I'm a cleric.
Now, in cases like Lesser Restoration, I demand a party buys a wand and everyone put money on it, because unless they want to rest for days to refill my spells, all should be preapared to dish out money.
I've a good bunch of scrolls and i didnt ask money for them since they are in that range of "beign prepared" section you talked about. I'm mooving in the second part of your response. I only asked for money for that spells that are designed for helping other members to be better in combat or to help them when it comes to "suck it". The wand of mage armor could be a really nice example.
Also i may say that my DM gives me a limit in the scrolls i can carry (2xlevl), so every scroll i inscribe for the party is a slot i can no longer use until i use that scroll.
I suspect that the problem that you're dealing with (either real or just perceived) is that YOU are deciding what to make and expecting the group to pay. If the group decides, then they'll PROBABLY be happy to pay.
Ew! no!. Of course i asked beforehand if they would like me to prepare some scrolls focused on them. They said that even if they are gonna use that scrolls i i'm carrying with the cost.
I'm not asking if this is right or wrong anyway, i'm just asking if i'm beign selfish asking for money that i can use to inscribe scrolls for the party. Of course if they say "no, i dont want to pay for that spell" im just not inscribing that scroll, even if it can be usefull for other member of the party...because i can use that money to improve my spellcasting and take items that protect me or help me to improve my skills, wich i think is also usefull.
What i'm trying to say is that i'm not mad because they dont want to help me to have more scrolls. If they dont want the scrolls of course i'm not gonna cry. What i need is your opinion about the act of asking for money to the team when you are spending it in things for the team and not for yourself only.
Tell the monk that if he buys a wand of mage armor, you will gladly activate it for him. There's no reason you should be paying for it.
I will be using the wand to...so thats the reason he told me to argument i should pay it instead of we. That and, of course, things like "you will not cast it over me in every fight, so i think i'm doing well with my brazalets".
Again, if he dont want it, i'm not paying it and that's ok, i'm not mad. Just worried because everyone seems to be in the same mindset about my worries with the gold XD
I think your intentions are good, but, yeah, a bit selfish. You are asking for an extra portion of the treasure, after all.
Should the fighter get more than everyone else so she can buy a better sword? After all, she's using it to attack all of the party's enemies.
Should the cleric get more than everyone else so she can buy wands of restoration? After all, he's using it to benefit the whole group.
Should the bard get more than everyone else so she can buy a masterwork lyre? After all, a better performance helps everyone.
By saying that you want a larger share of treasure to help the group, you are implying (unintentionally, it seems) that every other party member is spending their money exclusively on selfish items.
You get your even share of the loot and spend it how you see fit.
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I think your intentions are good, but, yeah, a bit selfish. You are asking for an extra portion of the treasure, after all.
Should the fighter get more than everyone else so she can buy a better sword? After all, she's using it to attack all of the party's enemies.
Should the cleric get more than everyone else so she can buy wands of restoration? After all, he's using it to benefit the whole group.
Should the bard get more than everyone else so she can buy a masterwork lyre? After all, a better performance helps everyone.
By saying that you want a larger share of treasure to help the group, you are implying (unintentionally, it seems) that every other party member is spending their money exclusively on selfish items.
You get your even share of the loot and spend it how you see fit.
Maybe i didntn write it correctly. I'm not asking for more money to me, i'm asking for money of we all so we can craft items like that only in the case that the item is usable for all the party.
For example. I can cast bull's strengh over the barbarian, but making a bull's strengh for "emergencys" or for some unespected situation cost me 75 gold pieces. I dont think its selfish to ask the barbarian "hey dude, do you want to go 50-50? this can make me help you in an emergency and it will not hit my pocket so hard.
Basically what you are pointing is that i'm asking for more to do the same that my mates do with the same amount of gold, and that's incorrect. If you find me asking for gold to, dont know, buying a pearl of power, an armour, or money for reading and adding more spells to my book then yeah, you can compare my situations with the one you pointed.
If i have to compare what you exposed to similar situations, it would be like that same warrior says "hey guys, i made armour for all of you, them cost me 500 gp". Answer: "ok bud, thanks, but thats your job since you can do it so...thanks for the free armours".
Scrolls are not something i have to use because my class need to, scrolls are an extra, right? Also yeah, i wouldn't expect the cleric to buy that wand on his own just because he's the one that heals the group. He can do that with his normal spells, taking a wand is an extra that cost money, its not like a bard who takes a better ukelele, its more like a bard that takes "brew potion" as a feat and starts brewing. He need extra money.
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Best thing you can do is role play it in character. Be the penny pinching finger waggler everyone expects and act accordingly. Once they require your services and you refuse on grounds of prior payment not received, they'll put up or shut up. Besides, asking one player to shoulder the whole burden of itemized wealth requirements (wands, scrolls, etc.) seems fairly selfish of THEM.
And that's not even touching on crafting wondrous items, something they're quite certainly going to want you to provide to them.
Well yeah, sadly i'm not allowed to take that feat (DM said it wasnt fit for the campaign and i accepted it).
I cant do as you said. Not because i dont want to, but because the answer will probably be: "ok, go f!+$ yourself, we will find another caster" (we are in an evil campaing). Also even in a good aligned campaign the result would be the same, what we talk off-rol is also made inrol normaly.
With my teammates you cannot say "my way or the highway", and i dont really want it neither. Also, i'm not mad because they dont want to pay me, i just dont do that scrolls and keep walking happily.
My problem here is that they are repeating this during the weekend like a way to disturb me, pointing that my way of viewing this is ridiculous and a nonsense and that really, REALLY, piss me off. So i came here to know if i'm really beign selfish and i need to change my mind or i just need to send them to f***ck a cow and understand that their point of view is not the only one.
Not really, most of our groups create a phantom "share" of treasure that goes toward creation of disposable magic items.
So if there are 4 players loot is divided 5 ways and the 5th share pays for potions, scrolls, etc.
So i came here to know if i'm really beign selfish and i need to change my mind or i just need to send them to f***ck a cow and understand that their point of view is not the only one.
Personally, I think that they're being ridiculous, and that your "point of view" is so bloody obvious I'm still having a hard time imagining people who would disagree even after reading about them. So, you aren't the only one.
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I'd just say, "look you can pay for them and get them half price from me or you can pay full price from an NPC vendor, but im not blowing my WBL for people who wont invest some of theirs in items to be used on/by them."
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I would stop using scrolls to buff the party. Let them see the difference. If they want the party to use consumables. Then they should share in the cost.
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I did not expect this to be the scenario in question when I initially clicked this thread. Put me in the camp that thinks THE OTHERS are being selfish, not you. Assuming you're a home game with a mostly static player/PC roster, there's no reason on earth (or elsewhere) the party's liquid assets should be divided into jealously-policed personal shares.
Otherwise, I'd just say the main thing I came here to say: In relation to this or similar games, I don't think I've EVER heard the term "selfish" used in a manner that wasn't grossly misguided, clueless, perilously sloppy, hypocritical, and/or self-fulfilling. My strong advice with regards to the word "selfish" in gaming is to disregard it, do what you reasonably can to try to discourage it, and don't resort to it yourself.
I think Mykull is most accurately representing the opposing point of view in this thread, so I'm going to reply to Mykull (Not trying to attack you, I just feel like you brought up enough points that I can respond to you).
I think your intentions are good, but, yeah, a bit selfish. You are asking for an extra portion of the treasure, after all.
When you see it like this, yes it does seem selfish.
Should the fighter get more than everyone else so she can buy a better sword? After all, she's using it to attack all of the party's enemies.
The difference here is that the fighter's sword doesn't get used up when (s)he attacks. There is nothing lost by using your sword, while you lose 75gp every time you use a scroll. A better analogy would be an archer asking for arrows, but even this isn't quite the same thing. The OP might be using a bow and arrow, and isn't asking for anything there, they only want money when they use their items on their party members. The fighter with the bow WOULD be within their rights to ask for payment if they buy cold-iron arrows and then hand them out to the entire party.
Should the cleric get more than everyone else so she can buy wands of restoration? After all, he's using it to benefit the whole group.
Yes, the cleric should have the party's restorations paid for, the party should do that. That's more or less what the OP's asking.
Should the bard get more than everyone else so she can buy a masterwork lyre? After all, a better performance helps everyone.
This is more akin to the Fighter's Sword analogy. The lyre doesn't get "used up" when the bard plays, so it's not a consumable resource that costs the party. Having said that, a MW Lyre is such a cheap item for it's benefit (and it WILL benefit the whole party) that I probably would give them the money for it... or at least lend it to them so they can get it early.
By saying that you want a larger share of treasure to help the group, you are implying (unintentionally, it seems) that every other party member is spending their money exclusively on selfish items.
You get your even share of the loot and spend it how you see fit.
This is a good point. This is probably the reason the party is fighting you. Rather than asking for more money for yourself, phrasing it differently might help you here...
Rather than asking for more money for yourself, make a separate pot for party-consumables. If you have 4 people in your party, split the loot 5 ways, and the 5th pile of money goes toward these things. The Fighter with the longsword will likely benefit from this as they will use more cure-potions/wands than anyone else, so they'll save money. The Cleric will save money on cure/restore potions/wands. You'll save money on crafting. You COULD pay for cold-iron/silver arrows etc for the archer ... it might even end up saving you money on cure-wands since the archer will end fights that much faster.
Graelsis I guess you have 3 choices:
1. Continue crafting and just deal with it. You will be helping your party but it's up to you if that's fun.
2. Charge them for any items you use on them. Honestly this is probably the fairest way to do it if you don't have a party-pot. It depends how much of a fight this will cause.
3. Only craft things that will help you. This is the passive-aggressive approach =P "Sorry I didn't prepare that one, I only have this scroll of Greater-Invisibility that I just used on myself. I guess you'll have to take all the hits from the Hydra. Don't worry I'll be back with help soon." This might encourage them to put up some cash for their own buffs ... or it might just piss them off.
Honestly the best approach is ALWAYS to talk to them out of game ... it just seems like you already did that. If all else fails you can point them at this thread and they can see how outnumbered their opinion is?
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Wait, what, you're splitting treasure equally and then asking players to go halvsies on scrolls that benefit them?!? Okay, that's a totally different animal than asking for extra. I completely revoke my first post.
You aren't being selfish. In fact, since your DM limits your scroll carrying capacity (which seems like a d!ck move, to me), I'd only scribe scrolls that benefit you, unless your character has a very altruistic reason to sacrifice the coin & space for his traveling companions.
I guess it depends on how much you're taking for these scrolls. 5%? Not so bad. 10? Well in a party of 5 that's half a share. That adds up after even a few fights.
Really just be simple and clear about it.
"I want to make scrolls for us. Why don't you list what scrolls you want, I'll make it and we keep the cost even for everyone to enjoy. It will really help us out in the long run and help keep us going if we are stuck in a place we can't rest. So a stockpile may be a smart idea."
So long as it's all on paper who put in for what and it's somewhat even the complaints should cease.
If they don't, then it's up to YOU to realize they aren't being selfish, they don't want a scroll vs getting gear they planned for earlier. It's still their share of the loot so they should (MUST) get a say on how it's spent.
I don't (and want to make this very clear) think you're being selfish. I just want to point out they have a right to an equal share and may want to spend it in a way you aren't looking at, so better communication is key.
The problem isn't that they don't want the scrolls, the problem is they want the scrolls but think the gold burden should rest entirely on the person with the crafting feat.
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If the party caster would offer me crafting scrolls, I'd appreciate the spirit of teamwork, but actually I'd like full control over what is crafted for me and cast on me. I wouldn't hand over a pile of gold and trust the player to make something really good out of it. For example, bull's strength from a scroll is nice, but a waste of gold in minor fights.
And I'd always be skeptical whether it would be better to memorize these spells directly. Coming from computer games, where you are usually well off selling all these consumables in favor of something permanent, in Pathfinder I'd rather rely on character build, tactics and teamwork to get things done, instead of consumables.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great thing to do something for the team. Just negotiate the details - and accept if you don't get to an agreement.
If not selfish, I do think you are being a little short-sighted. What are you going to spend the gold on if not scrolls? You don’t need to buy armour and weapons the way the martials do. It is in your best interest that they buy gear rather than pay for scrolls even though it’s hard to feel that way when they’re all blinged out and you have next to nothing in comparison. They are what stands between you and the things that want to hurt you after all. The better off they are, the better off you are. You want them to have all their wealth worth of big 6 AND the portion of your wealth that you’ve dedicated for consumables to help them as much as possible because helping them is helping yourself.
Not that casters don’t deserve nice things; they do but the amount you spend on consumables versus the value you will get out of them versus your overall wealth should work out just fine. You should be able to buy nice things and make consumables because you really only need 4 of the big 6. That said, I would not apply this to magic items if you start crafting those however, only consumables. They need to pay for the value of crafted, permanent items.
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If not selfish, I do think you are being a little short-sighted. What are you going to spend the gold on if not scrolls?
Rods of metamagic
Pearls of powerMore spells for the spellbook
Backup spellbooks in case one gets destroyed or damaged
Utility magic items
Stronger defensive magic items
Saving for expensive spell components
There is a vast swathe of things a caster can use gold for other than crafting scrolls for a selfish party member that doesn't want to contribute 1/4 cost of a buff thats going on them.
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This is why GMs should have personal treasure and party treasure.
Thing like
"Dammit our wizard got feebleminded and now is being distracted with a card that says "please turn over" on both sides" should come from party treasure, since everyone benefits from a wizard who can do more than flip a bit of paper over again and again. (because his magical item made his int high enough /JUST/ to read).
So should something like a WCL. Since everyone benefits, even if not directly. After all, squishes can stay back while the tanks take the damage.
so yeah, I'd say that you were not really being selfish. Though maybe a tad on the impractical side. And your GM really should institute a "party treasure" rule if your group refuses to.
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Monk is talking nonsense. If the benefit is for him, you shouldn't pay for that. Also, he should just buy you a Pearl of power level 1, you will ALWAYS prepare Mage Armor, this way 1 casting is for you, the other one for the Monk. Also 1hr/level for 1k, its pretty cheap.
Bracelets? Extremely expensive compared to that.I'm having a hard time figuring out WHAT buffs are you talking about. For example if the Human Archer wants to have all day darkvision, that is something you shouldn't pay for.
If the barbarian is asking for an Enlarge Person, you just prepare it in your slots. Also, having those spells around in scrolls isn't a bad idea. But since your DM imposed a limit on scrolls, you should carry things that:
- will keep you alive. A dead wizard is a useless wizard
- will prepare you for the unexpected. See Invisibility, a second Glitterdust for invisible enemies, something to deal with swarms, etc.
Any other buffs depend on your build. If youre not a buffing Wizard, just dont buff your allies if this will cost you a sustainable amount of money.
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If not selfish, I do think you are being a little short-sighted. What are you going to spend the gold on if not scrolls?Rods of metamagic
Pearls of power
More spells for the spellbook
Backup spellbooks in case one gets destroyed or damaged
Utility magic items
Stronger defensive magic items
Saving for expensive spell componentsThere is a vast swathe of things a caster can use gold for other than crafting scrolls for a selfish party member that doesn't want to contribute 1/4 cost of a buff thats going on them.
It boils down to a cost-benefit-analysis. You can craft over 40 level 1 scrolls for the value of a level 1 pearl of power. It will depend on your level, your overall wealth, the frequency you cast certain spells, and any other number of variables including weird, arbitrary restrictions by the GM on the number of scrolls you can have at any one time being taken into account on a case by case basis rather than there being a strict, over-arching policy of only crafting consumables everyone has shared the cost of.
My perspective is that when you buff or heal a party member, directly with spells or indirectly with consumables, it isn’t solely for their benefit, it helps you too. Something worth considering when mired in envy or jealously guarding your meagre share, IMHO.
Some will say crafting a scroll is a waste of money, since you can use spell slots for it. Like running bulls strength every fight is exorbitant, but say Scrolls of lesser restoration, remove blindness, raise dead etc should be shared costs by the group.
I pay upfront the cost. I consider it is my duty as a Cleric to be ready for anything.
Now, if the scroll is used, I will demand money from the party.Otherwise I will say: "Either I buy an armor or a scroll. I will go for the armor, if you want a scroll of Remove X just in case, pitch in everyone".
Now, random buffs? I don't think it's necessary to put those on scrolls. Most of the time I have scrolls like Prot from Evil, Water Brething for extreme cases where I have zero spells.
I don't ask my party to pay for those since they're part of the 25% players are supposed to destine to consumables.
I wanted to answer one by one your messages, but since they are a ton, i will put your names here and answer what i think is an overall of your thoughts.
Also, i would like to thank you a lot for your backup and support. Really, i needed it. I really was feeling awfull because of this. Some of you have pointed that maybe one of my choices is to beign passive-agressive like: "well, all the spells in the scrolls goes for me, sorry, if you want something you know what you have to do".
I can't do this because i probably will recieve even more atacks. It's not like my party asked me for any scroll anyway, but they are the ones beign passive aggresive, taking any time they have randomly to say things like (random conversation and suddenly) "yeah, like (my name), who thinks we have to pay for some scrolls just because they benefit us, xd, just as ridiculous as that".
So they do not ask for scrolls directly, but they do remind me they should not ask, i should do them and if i dont i'm beign stupid or some kind of...i dont know, just what you read above.
That said, your huge support has been crucial, this got to the point that i didnt really know if i had a problem that blinded me to see the evidence or not. Now i know that what i'm saying is not madness and i can stay calm and firm in my possition that, if you want a buffing and expensive scroll, you have to go 50-50 with me. Thank you guys, you are an awsome, awsome comunity.
That said, lets go with the answers.
MrCharisma: I'm going with a mixture of your first and third options. My scrolls are going to be for me in the vast majority. I will take a few for my teammates just because i dont want them dead.
SheepishEidolon and cavall: nah, you are right when you say that if they dont want a scroll they should not pay for it even if i think it's usefull. I'm agree with this, and of course i'm not mad when they dont want to pay, but they should not remind me i'm doing nonsense if i dont go mad and craft the scrolls for them anyway.
Born_of_fire and Ryan_freire: Born, i'm with Ryan in this one. You may think that melee characters need more money than spellcasters because they are "gear starving", but this, in my oppinion, is not correct. You can do as i did, I went to "Treantmonk's guide for wizard" and there you will find plenty of items usefull for that class, most of them magical and expensive items. That said, i'ts not about how much someone of the group need, i'm not asking my party members to give me more gold than they recieve, i just want them to participate if they want an specific scroll, its not like i want to pay it full anyway, i just want a 50% help.
Letric: yeah, putting buffs in scrolls may not be a good idea, i've seen that and i'm changing it, so propably the problem will be over since i will stop asking for gold to make scrolls if they are not meant to buff someone but focused in "oh s%@% didnt expect that" kind of situations.
Mykull: he did that because the campaign we are playing gives us plenty of free time and probably i could have like 30 scrolls now without the limitation, and we are only in the second session of the campaign. I dont know how can that affect the game balance but i think he did that for good reasons...or at least i hope it XD.
Mystic_Snowfang and Just a Mort: any ideas of some scrolls i can find usefull? i'm percieving that you all agree that maybe i'm beign impractical or wrong in my choices for scrolls so maybe you can help me with this part.
Again, thanks a lot to everyone, really, you have making my day much better.
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This was complied for PFS, where party composition can be very random and you may be having an unbalanced party. Perhaps less important for fixed parties.
Beginner Kits (1-3) for Fighters:
(2) Oil of Magic Weapon/Magic Fang(If you use natural weapons)
Cold Iron Morning Star
Dagger
Silver Morning Star
Longspear
Ranged weapon of a kind(be it shortbow/longbow) and appropriate ammunition
If you are an archer, bring weapon blanches of cold iron, silver and adamantium. Ghost Salt as well.
2 Oils of Bless Weapon
2 Anti Venom
Smoked Goggles
5 scrolls of grease (come on..you can persuade a friendly casty to cast it on you, right?)
5 scrolls enlarge person( Only if you aren’t a dex fighter)
10 acid flasks
2 Air Crystals
Novice Kit (Lv 3-5) for Fighters:
Potion of Invisibility
Potion of delay poison
2 Potion of protection from evil
Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
Potion of Remove Blindness
Potion of Lesser Restoration
Scroll of Lesser Restoration
Potion of Darkvision
Potion of Spider Climb
Intermediate Kit for Fighters:
Oil of Daylight
Potion of Fly
Beginners Kit for Arcane classes (lv 1-3):
5 Scrolls Mage Armor( In case a not so friendly shadow shows up)
5 Scrolls Grease
5 Scrolls enlarge person
5 scrolls protection from evil
5 scrolls magic missile (for sucker punching casters…move action: take out scroll of magic missile – standard action, I ready to throw magic missile at him the moment he starts casting)
1 Scroll of Glitterdust
1 Scroll Comprehend languages
2 Anti Toxin
2 Anti Plague
2 Scrolls Obscuring Mist
5 Scrolls Magic Weapon
2 Scrolls unseen Servant
Novice Kit for Arcane Casters(Lv 3-5):
1 Scroll Gust of Wind
1 Scroll Spider Climb
2 Scroll Invisibility
1 Scroll Resist Energy
1 Scroll Fly
1 Scroll Versatile Weapon
1 Scroll Communal Protection from Evil
1 Scroll See invisibility
1 Potion Delay Poison
1 More Scroll of Glitterdust(if it isn’t on your spell list)
Intermediate Kit for Arcane Casters (Lv 5-7):
Start saving for a dazing rod(Evokers, or anyone whose spells do damage), or start buying your persistent rods(Save or suck specialists).
1 Scroll Communal Resist Energy
1 Scroll Magic Circle Against Evil
Oil of Daylight
1 Scroll Wind Wall
Beginners Kit for Divine Casters(Lv 1-3):
5 Scrolls remove sickness
5 Scrolls Remove Fear
5 Scrolls Protection from evil
2 Anti Toxin
5 Scrolls Magic Weapon
2 Scrolls Obscuring Mist
1 Scroll Comprehend Languages
10 Acid Flasks
Novice Kit for Divine Casters(Lv 3-5):
2 Scrolls of Lesser Restoration
2 Scrolls Delay Poison
1 Scroll Remove Paralysis
1 Scroll Breath of life loaded in Spring Loaded Wrist Sheathe (Only attempt this if you are going to be pure cleric/pure oracle)
1 Scroll Magic Circle Against Evil
1 Scroll Communal Resist Energy
1 Potion remove blindness
1 Scroll Remove Blindness/deafness
2 Platinum Rings worth 50 Gp each(Hope your fellow pathfinders don’t betray your trust)
1 Potion of Invisibility
1 Potion of Fly
1 Scroll Invisibility Purge
Get a Lesser Reach Rod.
Intermediate Kit for Divine Casters(Lv 5-7):
Lesser Rod of Extend
1 Scroll Remove Paralysis
1 Scroll Freedom of Movement
1 Scroll Airwalk
1 Scroll Deathward
Start Saving for a Reach Rod
Oil of Daylight( Unless You’re Aasimar)
1 Scroll Windwall
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Pathfinder Society has the disturbing tendencies to throw incorporeal undead at level 1 characters, toss swarms at said characters, throw fliers at the party, send invisible monsters after the party and have you run into creatures with deeper darkness.
Which is also possible in a certain scenario which is labeled level 1-5.
We will not talk about Grabby monsters or the incident involving black tentacles. There was also a succubus somewhere around...
Remove fear tends to be more useful then remove sickness.
Here are the first and second level wizard scrolls that I can think of off the top of my head (since that's the highest level of spells I know you can cast) :
Protection from Evil (You'll be glad you made this when you need it)
Invisibility (never know when you might need it)
See Invisibility (preparing see invisibility every day is painful at the low levels, since you won't usually use it)
Glitterdust (When you see something invisible, you often want to share its location with everyone else)
I'm sure other people can think of more.
EDIT
I often leave tabs open to reply to later. This causes me to post after people have already invalidated everything I was going to say.
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Pathfinder Society has the disturbing tendencies to throw incorporeal undead at level 1 characters, toss swarms at said characters, throw fliers at the party, send invisible monsters after the party and have you run into creatures with deeper darkness.
Which is also possible in a certain scenario which is labeled level 1-5.
We will not talk about Grabby monsters or the incident involving black tentacles. There was also a succubus somewhere around...
Remove fear tends to be more useful then remove sickness.
I'm taking your list.
I'm copying your list.
I'm printing your list.
I'm putting your list into my caster's agenda.
I'm telling my familiar (a bat) how awsome this list is.
I'm sending you a mental hugh.
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Here are the first and second level wizard scrolls that I can think of off the top of my head (since that's the highest level of spells I know you can cast) :
Protection from Evil (You'll be glad you made this when you need it)
Invisibility (never know when you might need it)
See Invisibility (preparing see invisibility every day is painful at the low levels, since you won't usually use it)
Glitterdust (When you see something invisible, you often want to share its location with everyone else)I'm sure other people can think of more.
EDIT
I often leave tabs open to reply to later. This causes me to post after people have already invalidated everything I was going to say.
For me what counts is the fact that you tried to help me, so thanks a lot lad!
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Just use your bat, once it's level 5,and gets speak to master as an invisibility detector. It's got 20ft blind sense. For close range you don't need see invisibility.
Basically things that will take party members out of a fight/prevent them from harming the monster need to be dealt with. The rest, not really that important.
Aka - flying strix zen archer. How to deal with him? Either hope you can beat him in an archery battle(which unless you have a dedicated archer, not too likely), or get some melee class to fly after him.
Also, i would like to thank you a lot for your backup and support.
You're probably right and it's the group being selfish, but there may not be much you can do about it.
The group as a whole will probably be better off with you spending your money on useful scrolls instead of getting yourself the shiny stuff you want. By saving the monk, you save yourself. It's a shame they're not willing to help pay for it, but you can only control what you do, not what they do.
Either way, you'll be more popular as the supportive caster than as the caster who's always demanding they contribute.
In a future game, when one of them is playing the caster, you can have your 'revenge' by demanding free spellcasting services.
Well, if you are a quality player, you also wonder if the character personality you designed is fun to see for others...
But my point was just: there is no rule of conduct within parties, except to be fun and immersive.
Not wanting to pay for the mage's scrolls is neither [right] or [wrong], [selfish] or [not selfish].. it's just what is suited to the immersion and amusement, and what's not.
My problem here lies in the fact that my party companions are calling me selfish as a person, not as a character. My character is lawfull evil so, if i stick to my alignement, i should just take more money from then when i can XD.
Also, the situation, and the reason for what i asked is like follows.
Hey, i think we could really use a scroll of bull's strengh, do someone wants to help me with the money?
Them: no, but you should do it anyway, since it's your job.
Me: nah, if noone helps with the money i wont be inscribing a lot of scrolls, but its ok, you can use the money as you pleased, i just wanted to share some costs.
Them: nah, its ok, we dont want that spells.
Between sesions, them: haha, yeah, this is just as ridiculous as (my name) asking us for money to the scrolls, he's a selfish person since he wants us to do something so stupid and ridiculous.
Me: as i see it, asking for sharing cost when it comes to something that could reach 300 gp in total is not that stupid...
them: yeah well, then i will ask for money when i hit with my sword, haha, you can say what u want, it is stupid and you are selfish.
Me: well, lets ask the community, maybe someone supports me and i can send this buddys to eat cow poop.
It's not me asking about how the group should manage the gold, its more me asking about how should i feel about this, because i've been having two really bad weeks since i didnt know if i was beign stubborn enough to be blind.
Also, i would like to thank you a lot for your backup and support.You're probably right and it's the group being selfish, but there may not be much you can do about it.
The group as a whole will probably be better off with you spending your money on useful scrolls instead of getting yourself the shiny stuff you want. By saving the monk, you save yourself. It's a shame they're not willing to help pay for it, but you can only control what you do, not what they do.
Either way, you'll be more popular as the supportive caster than as the caster who's always demanding they contribute.
In a future game, when one of them is playing the caster, you can have your 'revenge' by demanding free spellcasting services.
Yeah, this is what i'm doing. They can use the money as they please and that's not making me mad anyway, i just wanted them to stop with the "selfish selfish". I will make my part as good as i can, even if that hurts my poket a bit, but i'm priorizing my shiny things just as they do.
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Bulls strength is rather exorbitant as I said. Do enlarge person for cheap you still get +2 str, but you get a - 1 to hit because of large. Honestly if my character isn't good aligned, I'll carry the condition removal Scrolls but insist you guys better pay for it as a party. But will use it, just charge the bill later.
If it's on your spells prepared, feel free to use on party members for free. Anything else tell them, sorry, I didn't prepare this spell, and I don't have money to craft Scrolls...
You should not let people abuse your good nature. It smacks of bullying.
Yeah I would probably stop buffing others entirely if that was the attitude they gave me. (If I was playing a bard I'd probably have to change characters.) I guess the idea is if your casting the spell its your contribution and their entitled to it. But if your spending your downtime making an item for them out of your gold I could see wanting some money for it. I think the sketchy part is that your making an item for you to use so you can buff them so its a little grey... light grey if you will.
I think I like morts response
"If it's on your spells prepared, feel free to use on party members for free. Anything else tell them, sorry, I didn't prepare this spell, and I don't have money to craft Scrolls..."