^Actually, #1 has more sub-options, because of the discovery of Equipment Trick (Sunrod) (and to a lesser extent, the Faith Magic Arcane Discovery).
I'm not a hundred percent sure this might be the forum to ask, but I have been reading that the Mystic Theurge is considered to be underpowered. What can be done to bring the prestige class up and an attractive choice for players to build towards?I'm playing this homebrew in a campaign right now
It's been working very well, but the class can be complicated to play.
Not exactly what I had in mind, plus being prepared limits the focus quite a bit.
Just thinking, would some like the Magus be useful in concept for making a Theurge class?
Magus was my inspiration.
If partial casting and fullattacking in a round works out well for magi and Warpriest, then why not just do casting and casting?
Yes, this one is wiz/cleric specific.
Dual spontaneous would run into the issue of being mono stat dependent, which this class designed around AND losing prepared casting would axe your utility into the group for a dual partial caster set up. Such a class should be full progression, but with less features.
A sorcerer set up, with only spellcasting, cantrips/orisons, and eschew materials class features should be fine. Minus one spell slot per level if it is too strong.
Flagged to move this to Homebrew.
There are two stances;
1) it's balanced and
1a) SLAs do not meet requirements.
1b) SLAs do meet requirements for early entry into the class.
2) needs some adjustment
I'm of the opinion of 1a. Its a slow starter and takes some work to get up off the ground, but it is worth it in the end. If you bring in other assumptions into the mix (like most games don't get to high level, or you are playing well above the intended power curve of the game so that CR is really meaningless, etc) this typically won't feel like the correct answer. However you play the game in reality will change your perspective of how the prestige class functions in its intended role.
I think the biggest thing to help the Mystic Theurge is cut the fat. It has too much staying power. Way too many spells per day.
Trade away spells per day and the using spells in the other spell slots for actual class features.
|
I'm kind of perplexes that anyone would think its current prerequisites are acceptable. A Wizard 3 / Cleric 3 is close to unplayable; if you want this to be something fun that you can work into without becoming dead weight that the rest of the party has to carry for several sessions, it needs to have lower prerequisites.
I dunno, dude. Even with the reduced capacity, they're still not as bad as a chained rogue or similar. They still have decent utility. Again, the two I the campaign I ran were basically doing the lion's share of the work even in the valley of suck.
|
Big thanks to everyone who mentioned the Theurge base class fromm Kobold Press!
The class is one of the 12 classes featured in the newly updated and expanded New Paths Compendium hardcover which releases in just a few!
Quick follow up - the New Paths Compendium is now available for preorder!
It will also be available in a few weeks right here through Paizo.com as well!
Darn. I thought maybe there was more discussion going on in these threads. : /